Einstein made astonishing and real contributions to science. You cannot invalidate his contributions because they’re, well…scientific. Yeah, he did some shitty things, but those things were limited to the scope of his immediate family. Not apologizing for him, just offering this for comparison.
We have to make these adjustments any time we discuss the work of some artist, scientist, or leader we place on a pedestal.
The real test is how much damage they do to others. Infidelity? Well, it sucks, but it’s not uncommon (not dismissing it, just observing the fact). Did a scientist create a wheat variety that withstands pests and drought, feeding millions, yet also create a profitable chemical that has caused widespread cancer or environmental destruction? Maybe a popular, famous and groundbreaking artist was a real piece of shit and beat his wife and kids, say maybe putting one of the kids in a wheelchair? Maybe a world leader that’s done a great number of amazing things but still dropped bombs on civilians?
Now what? Is this the price of greatness? How much do you accept or turn a blind eye to? How much real harm did they do?
As far as felonies go, there’s obviously different levels, and that’s up to the law, and FBFW the judge…as we’ve seen affluenza and being a rich POS lets you skip out on a lot of punishment thanks to judge’s biases. Our “feels” shouldn’t be what counts.
You say you “hate trump with a passion”, but:
and he knew that this getting public would make him look bad despite being a genuine guy with good intentions for his country.
Say what?
As far as “moral compasses” go, I think it’s been pretty well established that the pro-trump morality is willfully ignorant and shored up with personal prejudices and hatreds. You have to deliberately choose not to believe in many things to support trump, and that means ignoring laws, the rights for and respect of your fellow humans, science, and many other things. Believing in a Flat Earth has the same validity as supporting trump.
I hope it was clear that the paragraph in italics was what I meant a Trump supporter would say, definitely not me. I most certainly don’t regard him as a “genuine guy with good intentions for his country”.
You have to deliberately choose not to believe in many things to support trump, and that means ignoring laws, the rights for and respect of your fellow humans, science, and many other things.
Yeah I think I didn’t point out the italics stuff because it seemed obvious in my head that this would be like a fake quote. I should have pointed it out. Now a huge bunch of people assume I somehow defend Trump, think his conviction doesn’t matter, or think the thought process of a supporter makes sense/is correct. Of course it doesn’t/isn’t.
I also should not have put three different theses in one comment (the discrepancy between an individual as a moral person and his achievements, Trump supporters thinking - with the help of media - that it’s not that big of a deal, and rehabilitation of felons/criminals). It got confusing. Not the best comment I’ve written in my life.
Einstein made astonishing and real contributions to science. You cannot invalidate his contributions because they’re, well…scientific. Yeah, he did some shitty things, but those things were limited to the scope of his immediate family. Not apologizing for him, just offering this for comparison.
We have to make these adjustments any time we discuss the work of some artist, scientist, or leader we place on a pedestal.
The real test is how much damage they do to others. Infidelity? Well, it sucks, but it’s not uncommon (not dismissing it, just observing the fact). Did a scientist create a wheat variety that withstands pests and drought, feeding millions, yet also create a profitable chemical that has caused widespread cancer or environmental destruction? Maybe a popular, famous and groundbreaking artist was a real piece of shit and beat his wife and kids, say maybe putting one of the kids in a wheelchair? Maybe a world leader that’s done a great number of amazing things but still dropped bombs on civilians?
Now what? Is this the price of greatness? How much do you accept or turn a blind eye to? How much real harm did they do?
As far as felonies go, there’s obviously different levels, and that’s up to the law, and FBFW the judge…as we’ve seen affluenza and being a rich POS lets you skip out on a lot of punishment thanks to judge’s biases. Our “feels” shouldn’t be what counts.
You say you “hate trump with a passion”, but:
Say what?
As far as “moral compasses” go, I think it’s been pretty well established that the pro-trump morality is willfully ignorant and shored up with personal prejudices and hatreds. You have to deliberately choose not to believe in many things to support trump, and that means ignoring laws, the rights for and respect of your fellow humans, science, and many other things. Believing in a Flat Earth has the same validity as supporting trump.
I hope it was clear that the paragraph in italics was what I meant a Trump supporter would say, definitely not me. I most certainly don’t regard him as a “genuine guy with good intentions for his country”.
I 100% agree with you here.
Ok, gotcha. Thanks. Rereading it now makes sense.
Yeah I think I didn’t point out the italics stuff because it seemed obvious in my head that this would be like a fake quote. I should have pointed it out. Now a huge bunch of people assume I somehow defend Trump, think his conviction doesn’t matter, or think the thought process of a supporter makes sense/is correct. Of course it doesn’t/isn’t.
I also should not have put three different theses in one comment (the discrepancy between an individual as a moral person and his achievements, Trump supporters thinking - with the help of media - that it’s not that big of a deal, and rehabilitation of felons/criminals). It got confusing. Not the best comment I’ve written in my life.
Anyway, my bad.