A Gallup poll at the end of April found that 27% of Americans view immigration as the most important issue facing the country, topping the economy and inflation.
Piss off your own base to appeal to less than a third of the electorate that isn’t going to vote for you anyway.
Also, the “liberal” media has been hell-bent on scaring people on the border. Truth is, a lot of moderates are concerned about the border. And they determine elections. As president, he is expected to address people’s concerns.
The genocide is one that I can’t get over. I understand the bill that got Ukrainian aid. But he won’t even call it a genocide. Even with Rafah he backpedaled.
I honestly like or at least accept the majority of Biden’s term. But Gaza has been a disaster that he continues to botch.
What’s there to like? The further militarisation of the police? The expansion of Obama’s child caging programme? Housing crisis? Funding Nazis in Ukraine?..
Generally he has leaned progressive when he can. He doesn’t when he can’t. That’s literally all you can expect from him. I’d rather him win the election and continue to do as much good as he can than lose and let Trump do as much damage as he can.
That’s a pretty damned huge exception. Also, the dumbass wall. Also a they’re a lot less restrictive to asylum seekers. Also, he tried to undo Trump’s covid immigration executive order, which got blocked by courts. Actually, they’re quite different. In fact if you think Biden’s policies are bad, you better hope and pray Trump doesn’t get back in.
Less restrictive on Asylum seekers? They can’t just cross the border anymore. The BP lets a small number in every day, leaving thousands of people at the mercy of Mexican drug cartels while they wait to cross. They wait to cross because Biden didn’t restore the international standard of declaring asylum on the soil of the country in which you want asylum. Instead he’s trying to force asylum seekers to use an app and visit American consulates in the country they need to flee. And forcing them to stay in the country they need to flee until we tell them it’s okay to leave.
Nothing about this is humane or legal under our own laws or international treaties which we’ve signed and ratified.
Biden undid the covid order in a way he knew would be struck down by the courts. The exact same way we got Trump’s muslim ban struck down. Unlike Trump’s Muslim ban he did not try again until he also made the asylum policy above where anyone availing themselves of the old way gets summarily denied and deported.
He did all of this in plain view and you can’t be assed to find the actual actions, just their PR releases.
It’s not like the Dem base will switch their votes to Trump.
At this point, now that the nominees are decided, the political game is to attract the swing vote, which is mostly “tough on crime,” anti-imigration, and anti-taxation (as it applies to them directly).
Even though none of these policies are actually good for those in the middle.
You’ll still see things like student debt relief getting pushed. But something like immigration reform he has to do to get swing voters and hope his base understands. Otherwise he just won’t have enough votes to win.
I find his base to be largely split on this issue. There’s the bleeding hearts who cry for amnesty (Sky Daddy bless their souls) and the at best ambivalent and at worst lipstick racist others.
If the part that’s going to be pissed off is less than what could be won then is the risk worth taking? Some campaign manager must have thought so or this appeal against his own base is a terrible gamble.
Nah they’ll blame the people he alienated. They did it for Hillary, they’ll do it for Biden. They block anything remotely progressive and then wonder why progressives don’t run to the polls for them.
No, pretty sure it’s everyone who doesn’t find supporting genocide a big enough deal to seek another path for the election. Everyone supporting Biden now is responsible for propping up a bad candidate.
Fair enough, trump’s guys aren’t coming for me first, they are coming for the Gaza protesters, they are coming for abortion rights, LGBTQ+ rights, they are coming exactly for the rights of people refusing to vote for Biden…it’s sort of ironic. You can read what you are enabling here: https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf
But voting is literally how we decide who is in power, and it cost nothing. SCOTUS being hijacked by radicals is a direct result of the 2016 election. Everyone got together and decided (through the Electoral College) that Trump was the person to lead us. Everyone had a voice. Some chose not to use that.
If the person who is better for the country loses then it is all of our faults. In a democracy it’s up to the citizens to know the candidates, understand the system and what people can and can’t do, understand how the election system works, and be aware of what the stakes are.
Political campaigns attempt to hold your hand and pull you in a certain direction because it’s in their best interest to do so, but the blame for what happens in January 2025 rests with all of us.
Piss off your own base to appeal to less than a third of the electorate that isn’t going to vote for you anyway.
This doesn’t mean that 73% don’t care.
Also, the “liberal” media has been hell-bent on scaring people on the border. Truth is, a lot of moderates are concerned about the border. And they determine elections. As president, he is expected to address people’s concerns.
He doesn’t seem to care about people’s concerns over the genocide. He picks and chooses which concerns he addresses.
The genocide is one that I can’t get over. I understand the bill that got Ukrainian aid. But he won’t even call it a genocide. Even with Rafah he backpedaled.
I honestly like or at least accept the majority of Biden’s term. But Gaza has been a disaster that he continues to botch.
What’s there to like? The further militarisation of the police? The expansion of Obama’s child caging programme? Housing crisis? Funding Nazis in Ukraine?..
He’s the one directly supporting it and making sure it happens. How’s he gonna call it a genocide?
While you and I may care, and a lot of young college folks care.
Your “average” American could give shit less about what is going on in Gaza. If they even have any clue at all about it.
Cynicism. A majority of Americans disapprove of Israel’s actions in Gaza. 55% disapprove to 36% approve.
If this goes on until November it will only get worse, but Biden doesn’t care.
Biden doesn’t care because he knows he’ll keep more votes than he loses by supporting Israel.
Offer void for progressives’ concerns.
Generally he has leaned progressive when he can. He doesn’t when he can’t. That’s literally all you can expect from him. I’d rather him win the election and continue to do as much good as he can than lose and let Trump do as much damage as he can.
I’d rather people who are happy with him adopting Trump’s policies quit acting like anyone who has any criticism of him at all is a Trump supporter.
This is far from Trump policies. And nobody said you were a Trump supporter.
He’s literally continued Trump’s border policies with the exception of family separation.
That’s a pretty damned huge exception. Also, the dumbass wall. Also a they’re a lot less restrictive to asylum seekers. Also, he tried to undo Trump’s covid immigration executive order, which got blocked by courts. Actually, they’re quite different. In fact if you think Biden’s policies are bad, you better hope and pray Trump doesn’t get back in.
Edit: How could I forget DACA.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68428154
The OP is about an executive order to crack down on asylum seekers.
Less restrictive on Asylum seekers? They can’t just cross the border anymore. The BP lets a small number in every day, leaving thousands of people at the mercy of Mexican drug cartels while they wait to cross. They wait to cross because Biden didn’t restore the international standard of declaring asylum on the soil of the country in which you want asylum. Instead he’s trying to force asylum seekers to use an app and visit American consulates in the country they need to flee. And forcing them to stay in the country they need to flee until we tell them it’s okay to leave.
Nothing about this is humane or legal under our own laws or international treaties which we’ve signed and ratified.
Biden undid the covid order in a way he knew would be struck down by the courts. The exact same way we got Trump’s muslim ban struck down. Unlike Trump’s Muslim ban he did not try again until he also made the asylum policy above where anyone availing themselves of the old way gets summarily denied and deported.
He did all of this in plain view and you can’t be assed to find the actual actions, just their PR releases.
How is it not? He’s doing the Muslim ban but for the Mexican border
Progressively doing genocide.
Even more so. That 27% likely won’t even hear about this since Fox News and other right wing outlets won’t cover it.
It’s not like the Dem base will switch their votes to Trump.
At this point, now that the nominees are decided, the political game is to attract the swing vote, which is mostly “tough on crime,” anti-imigration, and anti-taxation (as it applies to them directly).
Even though none of these policies are actually good for those in the middle.
Treating them like guaranteed votes is going to result in people staying home. It’s bad strategy.
You’ll still see things like student debt relief getting pushed. But something like immigration reform he has to do to get swing voters and hope his base understands. Otherwise he just won’t have enough votes to win.
It’s not a bad strategy. It’s the only strategy.
Fuck him for Gaza though.
Lol
Lmao. Socdems are hilarious.
Or, and this is crazy, he could go ask the left for votes instead of trying to pull us all even further to the right.
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Not like he’s actually gonna do anything about the other two.
Is this just gonna be one of those things like him and zionism where he just suddenly wants to be as right wing as possible?
I find his base to be largely split on this issue. There’s the bleeding hearts who cry for amnesty (Sky Daddy bless their souls) and the at best ambivalent and at worst lipstick racist others.
The part of the base that this anti-immigration move will anger is the same part of the base that’s already angry about the genocide.
It’s like he’s trying to piss them off specifically and as much as possible.
If the part that’s going to be pissed off is less than what could be won then is the risk worth taking? Some campaign manager must have thought so or this appeal against his own base is a terrible gamble.
Yes I’m sure he’s not just doing this on a whim, but we’ll see how this pays off in November.
If he loses it’s his fault alone.
Nah they’ll blame the people he alienated. They did it for Hillary, they’ll do it for Biden. They block anything remotely progressive and then wonder why progressives don’t run to the polls for them.
I blame Hillary and the people who didn’t vote for her. They still had a choice. And it was a dumbass choice they made.
Edit: If you don’t vote for Biden, and Trump wins, you are culpable. That’s literally how voting works.
No, pretty sure it’s everyone who doesn’t find supporting genocide a big enough deal to seek another path for the election. Everyone supporting Biden now is responsible for propping up a bad candidate.
Fair enough, trump’s guys aren’t coming for me first, they are coming for the Gaza protesters, they are coming for abortion rights, LGBTQ+ rights, they are coming exactly for the rights of people refusing to vote for Biden…it’s sort of ironic. You can read what you are enabling here: https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf
If you don’t donate to Biden’s campaign and Trump wins, you are culpable. 🙃
If you say so.
But voting is literally how we decide who is in power, and it cost nothing. SCOTUS being hijacked by radicals is a direct result of the 2016 election. Everyone got together and decided (through the Electoral College) that Trump was the person to lead us. Everyone had a voice. Some chose not to use that.
If the person who is better for the country loses then it is all of our faults. In a democracy it’s up to the citizens to know the candidates, understand the system and what people can and can’t do, understand how the election system works, and be aware of what the stakes are.
Political campaigns attempt to hold your hand and pull you in a certain direction because it’s in their best interest to do so, but the blame for what happens in January 2025 rests with all of us.
But I hate this country.
Does that hatred include all the people who are affected by the consequences of our elections?
Literally a hostage situation.
You’ll blame them if he loses.
Nah I’ll blame everyone else, I wasn’t counting on them anyway.
Weird that you think everyone left of the alt right view high immigration as an important issue