Unfortunately that’s not the correct solution. When we start taking away citizens’ rights to participate in their public democratic government, we no longer have a public democratic government. Down the line, you would lose your right to vote as well, for a reason that you think is bullshit. And it would be bullshit, just like it’s bullshit to suggest removing voting rights from Trump supporters.
By increasing funding to public education systems, debunking any misinformation that’s put out, holding news sources like fox accountable for lying to millions of people on a daily basis, stop using kid gloves whenever republican congressmen break the law, follow the money trail and expose the oligarchs running our country from the shadows through bribes and lobbying, never be a single issue voter, and always participate in local elections.
The sad reality of our world is stupid, greedy, evil pieces of shit will put in all the effort they can to get what they want. Good people tend to be apathetic and then get fucked hard when the bad people get their way. Good people need to pull the rocks out of their asses and get a fuckin move on.
That’s the trillion dollar question man, and I honestly don’t know the answer.
My approach is to try be a rational voice that people in my circle feel comfortable talking to about anything, and telling them honestly and assertively when they’re not making sense or when they’re spouting harmful rhetoric (sort of what I did in my first reply to you here). It is exhausting and demoralizing, but I have found that when given the opportunity, people do trust their friends and family more than the random angry Russian people in their phone.
We have to engage with these people and try to help them, because they are going to vote and raise children in our country either way.
Jury duty seemed to work for juror #2. Whomever they were, they were following Trump on Truth social, and they still voted to convict. Mandatory jury duty for all!
I won’t pretend to be as calm and rational as I’m presenting myself in this thread, all of the time. But I do try, and when I fail I try to learn something from it
Make laws to make the news neutral and factual would be a great start. Remove the russian and china troll/bot farms from the online platforms. Remove religion from politics. The real difference maker would be to focus more on real education.
I’m not tolerating intolerance. I’m saying stripping voting rights from people is not the right answer. I’m really not sure how you got that twisted…it seems that you agree that removing voting rights and ending democracy would be a bad thing. Yet you’re advocating for it anyway? Can you explain that position a bit more clearly?
In my opinion you should spend your political capital and energy on influencing others to vote for candidates you support, rather than spending it advocating for the end of democratic voting in America.
I’m not agreeing or disagreeing. I’m making an observation.
The right has the right to vote. They want to vote to elect Trump. Trump wants to be a dictator and end democratic elections, removing everyone’s right to vote.
I will agree that education is key. Having an informed and educated society is the only way to have a working democracy. But the right also wants to eliminate education, so that’s a problem.
The right thinks anyone democrat shouldn’t have the right to vote. The lunatic I worked with thought that, and was going on about you shouldn’t be able to vote unless you understand what you’re voting for… How ironic.
I’m quite serious in that I think the right to vote should be removed from most of these people.
Unfortunately that’s not the correct solution. When we start taking away citizens’ rights to participate in their public democratic government, we no longer have a public democratic government. Down the line, you would lose your right to vote as well, for a reason that you think is bullshit. And it would be bullshit, just like it’s bullshit to suggest removing voting rights from Trump supporters.
Yeah ok. I’m talking out my ass. But then how DO we tackle the brutal misinformation situation that has fueled these chucklefucks?
By increasing funding to public education systems, debunking any misinformation that’s put out, holding news sources like fox accountable for lying to millions of people on a daily basis, stop using kid gloves whenever republican congressmen break the law, follow the money trail and expose the oligarchs running our country from the shadows through bribes and lobbying, never be a single issue voter, and always participate in local elections.
The sad reality of our world is stupid, greedy, evil pieces of shit will put in all the effort they can to get what they want. Good people tend to be apathetic and then get fucked hard when the bad people get their way. Good people need to pull the rocks out of their asses and get a fuckin move on.
That’s the trillion dollar question man, and I honestly don’t know the answer.
My approach is to try be a rational voice that people in my circle feel comfortable talking to about anything, and telling them honestly and assertively when they’re not making sense or when they’re spouting harmful rhetoric (sort of what I did in my first reply to you here). It is exhausting and demoralizing, but I have found that when given the opportunity, people do trust their friends and family more than the random angry Russian people in their phone.
We have to engage with these people and try to help them, because they are going to vote and raise children in our country either way.
Jury duty seemed to work for juror #2. Whomever they were, they were following Trump on Truth social, and they still voted to convict. Mandatory jury duty for all!
You sound like the lovely calm person I wish I was when I’m not spouting rage against the RW and China, on Lemmy.
I won’t pretend to be as calm and rational as I’m presenting myself in this thread, all of the time. But I do try, and when I fail I try to learn something from it
Oh hey, failing to learn from mistakes is my favourite hobby!
Make laws to make the news neutral and factual would be a great start. Remove the russian and china troll/bot farms from the online platforms. Remove religion from politics. The real difference maker would be to focus more on real education.
Personally I’d like remove governments of Russia and China altogether.
The world would be a better place
deleted by creator
But removing voting rights and ending democracy is exactly what the right wants to do.
This is almost like a version of tolerance of intolerance that we see on the left sometimes.
I’m not tolerating intolerance. I’m saying stripping voting rights from people is not the right answer. I’m really not sure how you got that twisted…it seems that you agree that removing voting rights and ending democracy would be a bad thing. Yet you’re advocating for it anyway? Can you explain that position a bit more clearly?
In my opinion you should spend your political capital and energy on influencing others to vote for candidates you support, rather than spending it advocating for the end of democratic voting in America.
I’m not agreeing or disagreeing. I’m making an observation.
The right has the right to vote. They want to vote to elect Trump. Trump wants to be a dictator and end democratic elections, removing everyone’s right to vote.
I will agree that education is key. Having an informed and educated society is the only way to have a working democracy. But the right also wants to eliminate education, so that’s a problem.
Nah, go the other way. Make voting a requirement. You vote, or you don’t participate in society.
Among other things, yeah, we really should make voting mandatory.
Yes. we. should.
The only reason to restrict voting is to keep “undesirables” from having a say in government.
In a fair government everyone should be represented. The only way to even approach that is to make it a requirement that everyone votes.
Maybe include an update to proportional election systems so that you can have more than two parties/better representation?
Definitely not a bad idea. But we gotta start somewhere.
The right thinks anyone democrat shouldn’t have the right to vote. The lunatic I worked with thought that, and was going on about you shouldn’t be able to vote unless you understand what you’re voting for… How ironic.