• Maple Engineer@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    If you look at the three great systems in play right now, Capitalism, Communism, and Socailism in the case of capitalism the people do all of the work and all of the benefit goes to the oligarchs and plutocrats, in the case of communism the people do all of the work and all of the benefit goes to the government and kleptocrats , and in the case of socialism the people do all of the work and most of the benefit stays with the people. Modern prosperity libertarianism as expressed by the US Libertarian Party with its support of classism is far more aligned with capitalism than it is socialism. I’ve spoken to several US “libertarians” who believe that they should keep what they make and anyone who can’t afford to eat or feed their children or to get an education or healthcare should simply die or depend on the charity of the “libertarians”. They are also fond of the authoritarian police state which they believe should enforce their, “We have ours.” ideals.

    I describe myself as a socialist libertarian which I feel is FAR closer to what libertarianism originally was. I want to work hard and do well, I want the smallest possible government needed to run the aparatus of the state, and I want it to leave me the fuck alone. I don’t need the government to tell me what I can eat or drink, who I can love or fuck, how I should dress, or what my daughter should do with her body. I am also smart enough to understand that the only solution to a social problem is a social solution. You can’t police an end to drug abuse or crime. You need to address the underlying causes of social issues if you want to affect real change.

    Of course, a LOT of people get rich off social problems so they have absolutely no desire to solve them.

    • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.worldOPM
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      9 days ago

      Modern prosperity libertarianism as expressed by the US Libertarian Party with its support of classism is far more aligned with capitalism than it is socialism.

      Yes, I do not agree with them on that classism.

      I’ve spoken to several US “libertarians” who believe that they should keep what they make and anyone who can’t afford to eat or feed their children or to get an education or healthcare should simply die or depend on the charity of the “libertarians”.

      should simply die or depend on the charity of the “libertarians:

      Well, that is the current system we are living in, are we not, our gov’t safety nets can be seen as ‘charity’, and people label it as such, even if I do not agree with them.

      They are also fond of the authoritarian police state which they believe should enforce their, “We have ours.” ideals.

      Oh, I have not seen this, usually the ones I speak with are against big gov’t, that is why they are pro-2A, the right to defend themselves, if the occasion may arise.

      I describe myself as a socialist libertarian which I feel is FAR closer to what libertarianism originally was. I want to work hard and do well, I want the smallest possible government needed to run the aparatus of the state, and I want it to leave me the fuck alone. I don’t need the government to tell me what I can eat or drink, who I can love or fuck, how I should dress, or what my daughter should do with her body. I am also smart enough to understand that the only solution to a social problem is a social solution. You can’t police an end to drug abuse or crime. You need to address the underlying causes of social issues if you want to affect real change.

      I agree with your outlook of socialist libertarian!

      Of course, a LOT of people get rich off social problems so they have absolutely no desire to solve them.

      If you mean that the people elected, to solve such problems, get rich of it; if yes, then I also agree with this.

      In the US, we have a similar problem, where organizations and politicians are elected to solve homelessness in major United States cities, and in the end we are just left with people acting like they are helping solve the homelessness problem, but they are getting a really cushy salary in that position while homelessness is still rampant.