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Will we do have Youtube alternatives (Odysee & Rumble). But people can’t filter out the stuff, they don’t like on Odysee & Rumble. They can do that on Youtube but not on Youtube alternatives. So yeah.
Just took a look at them, and Rumble is for sure a hard pass. The 2 rows under “news” is all far-right extremist videos, which is great if you are aiming for the Parlor/Truth Social/Nazi and Nazi sympathizers of the internet, but I think you’ll miss most of the world going that toxic on the frontage.
There’s also PeerTube, the Fediverse counterpart to YouTube. Unfortunately, while there’s some good stuff you can find (and some re-uploads of YouTube), there’s just not as much content. I’d imagine the userbase is pretty small, too.
I hope the fediverse attracts enough adoption to make it long term viable. I am making an effort to be here more than there for lemmy/Reddit but YouTube is still harder to quit
When I first got to Reddit a front page post was like 1000 upvotes so Lemmy is approximately sorta the same level of users as when I first got to Reddit
It’s not bad if you subscribe to a handful of channels and only watch those. I use Grayjay, so I just turn off Rumble search and only see like 1-2 channels I’ve subbed to.
The issue seems to be that people who are not welcome on Youtube go to Rumble, and that’s largely right wing commentators, crypto bros who crossed a line, etc.
The same is true for Odyssee, but a little less extreme since Rumble is the bigger and more obvious platform.
I personally don’t care what alternative a creator uses, I just want to avoid Youtube.
To your point, the amount of money/effort to even try and rival YouTube (and/or Google) would be a hell of a task for sure. Since you would want it to be open, well moderated (but not so much that the majority of people scream “censorship!”), and be able to store/encode/serve a wild amount of video daily. And the later 2 things get exponentially more difficult as you scale.
It would need to be like the Fediverse on steroids, doing a distributed filesystem allowing every federated member to host/encode/serve part of the burden (like Kazaa/Limewire/DC++) but in some manner that people could be assured node hosts couldn’t tamper with videos. And then you would also need some sort of reward for creators that wouldn’t somehow lead to greedy power struggles causing an implosion of your open platform.
In their current state, I would argue none of them are actually alternatives in the sense of being a real replacement. None of them is setup to scale, making the moderation/filtering point kinda moot.
"Google is getting worse. Now watch me talk about the situation on a youtube video. Youtube is a property owned by google. "
And exactly where do you propose they talk about it and actually have people see it?
You know who is most fed up with YouTube’s policies? Content creators on YouTube. They’re locked in, they know it, and they hate it.
Where’s that iPhone comic about society
This one?
Yeah that’s it, thanks
Will we do have Youtube alternatives (Odysee & Rumble). But people can’t filter out the stuff, they don’t like on Odysee & Rumble. They can do that on Youtube but not on Youtube alternatives. So yeah.
Just took a look at them, and Rumble is for sure a hard pass. The 2 rows under “news” is all far-right extremist videos, which is great if you are aiming for the Parlor/Truth Social/Nazi and Nazi sympathizers of the internet, but I think you’ll miss most of the world going that toxic on the frontage.
There’s also PeerTube, the Fediverse counterpart to YouTube. Unfortunately, while there’s some good stuff you can find (and some re-uploads of YouTube), there’s just not as much content. I’d imagine the userbase is pretty small, too.
I hope the fediverse attracts enough adoption to make it long term viable. I am making an effort to be here more than there for lemmy/Reddit but YouTube is still harder to quit
Yeah, I’m in the same boat.
When I first got to Reddit a front page post was like 1000 upvotes so Lemmy is approximately sorta the same level of users as when I first got to Reddit
It’s not bad if you subscribe to a handful of channels and only watch those. I use Grayjay, so I just turn off Rumble search and only see like 1-2 channels I’ve subbed to.
The issue seems to be that people who are not welcome on Youtube go to Rumble, and that’s largely right wing commentators, crypto bros who crossed a line, etc.
The same is true for Odyssee, but a little less extreme since Rumble is the bigger and more obvious platform.
I personally don’t care what alternative a creator uses, I just want to avoid Youtube.
Thank you for proving my point.
To your point, the amount of money/effort to even try and rival YouTube (and/or Google) would be a hell of a task for sure. Since you would want it to be open, well moderated (but not so much that the majority of people scream “censorship!”), and be able to store/encode/serve a wild amount of video daily. And the later 2 things get exponentially more difficult as you scale.
It would need to be like the Fediverse on steroids, doing a distributed filesystem allowing every federated member to host/encode/serve part of the burden (like Kazaa/Limewire/DC++) but in some manner that people could be assured node hosts couldn’t tamper with videos. And then you would also need some sort of reward for creators that wouldn’t somehow lead to greedy power struggles causing an implosion of your open platform.
Ah, to dream.
Okay. My point is we have Youtube alternatives. But people don’t use them. Because they can’t filter out the stuff they don’t like.
In their current state, I would argue none of them are actually alternatives in the sense of being a real replacement. None of them is setup to scale, making the moderation/filtering point kinda moot.
You the stones to destroy the stones.
I get what you’re saying, but they use the platform to spread the word quicker and reach a bigger audience.
You’re so edgy! I’m jelly…