• CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de
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    4 days ago

    You bring no arguments I could ignore. You only make assumptions and claims.

    How do you even come to the conclusion BSW was authoritarian (that describes the use of (or desire to reach) a strong central power the rejection of political plurality) or left wing (which is defined by striving for societal progress and especially equal rights and equal chances for everyone, which BSW denies migrants).

    and mostly a east Germany phenomenon.

    That is something you never brought up before. What point do you think you make with this phenomenon?

    they will probably sit left from the view of the podium.

    Where you sit usually concurs with your political positions, but does not define it.

    If we’d take the Horseshoe theory again

    Why should we, since it’s debunked?

    Another takeaway is that they are absolutely a threat to democracy,

    Again something you claimed but never supported with anything.

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      4 days ago

      You bring no arguments I could ignore. You only make assumptions and claims.

      Here are some German (german language) sources supporting my claims you might translate it with a translator.

      https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/bsw-wagenknecht-linke-102.html

      https://www.n-tv.de/ticker/BSW-zieht-vor-allem-Menschen-an-die-bisher-die-Linke-oder-die-AfD-waehlten-article24990766.html

      https://taz.de/Abschneiden-von-BSW-und-Linkspartei/!6015450/

      https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/buendnis-sahra-wagenknecht-108.html

      https://www.tagesschau.de/wahl/archiv/2024-06-09-EP-DE/umfrage-bsw.shtml

      https://www.tagesschau.de/wahl/archiv/2024-06-09-EP-DE/umfrage-werwas.shtml

      https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/europawahl-bsw-sahra-wagenknecht-analyse-100.html

      https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/europawahl-osten-afd-100.html

      BSW is left “conservative”, is way stronger in east Germany than west, has ties to Russia (due to Wagenknecht herself)

      How do you even come to the conclusion BSW was authoritarian (that describes the use of (or desire to reach) a strong central power the rejection of political plurality) or left wing (which is defined by striving for societal progress and especially equal rights and equal chances for everyone, which BSW denies migrants).

      BSW doesn’t have a official party program, but from what Wagenknecht herself and most of her followers are standing for, they are for stuff like mass surveillance, chat control… They don’t like wrongthink wich might, just might be because Wagenknecht was very involved in the last years of SED, the party that is known for hardcore authoritarian shit. Also who they are funded and allied with speaks volumes, Putin and Xi aren’t known to be very libertarian or democratic.

      That is something you never brought up before. What point do you think you make with this phenomenon?

      As seen in sources for proof of the fact.

      I think the east, due to the very short democratic time is tending towards extremism, in general. The east was also more supportive of NSDAP and especially Saxony is extreme. I don’t know why its like this, what i day here isn’t provable, but based on evidence. Afd is btw the strongest party in all of the east basically.

      Where you sit usually concurs with your political positions, but does not define it.

      In language it kinda does as the left right thing is essentially based on this.

      Why should we, since it’s debunked?

      Well, firstly i just used it as a example and Secondly, who debunked it? Can you give insight, i think its rather more proven than anything. Both sides tend to authoritarian and antidemocratic views thats the key takeaway, and the further down they go their side, the more similar they become, they do however not reach each other, a horseshoe has a finite end and the sides are still apart, it’s explicitly not a circle.

      Again something you claimed but never supported with anything.

      BSW tries to get closer to AFD, they are anti EU and have ties to Russia and China, they want to end all help for Ukraine, want to leave nato and what not to throw the state Germany under the bus. They are a threat to democracy because they would like to deliver Germany to Russia/China on a silver plate.

      • federal reverse@feddit.orgM
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        3 days ago

        You are just digging a bigger hole with every comment, adding more inconsequential arguments.

        Your original claim was that they are an SED clone. Which is just not true. That would also not make sense, given that we live in a vastly different time than the original Cold War era.

        BSW is a party that, for the moment, has way more presence in political talk shows than it does substance. They have a prominent ex-Linke face, they have ex-Linke members, but they also have nationalist and socially regressive views. Calling them left-wing is thus not particularly appropriate either.

        And just like CyberEgg, I absolutely don’t understand why you bring in all the arguments that don’t do anything for your case. E.g: Yes, BSW is popular in Eastern Germany. But that doesn’t mean they’re an SED clone or left-wing. It just means that a bunch of people in Eastern Germany voted for this weird cult.

        And for the record, none of that means that either CyberEgg or I like BSW.