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Based on currently available numbers, there are about 31 vacant housing units for every homeless person in the U.S.
Based on currently available numbers, there are about 31 vacant housing units for every homeless person in the U.S.
As someone who considers my ideal society to be one that’s left-anarchist I can sympathize with that point. However that’s not something that can be done overnight and requires building parallel power structures and communities.
However, given the realities of today. A State that serves people interests rather than profit interests is the next best thing.
Every statement you’re making and your entire way of looking at this problem are rooted in existing capitalist frameworks. I’m not going to convince you that there are better ways, but putting aside my online persona for a minute I encourage you to learn about what other ways MIGHT be.
You are only thinking of the state as its current neoliberal incarnation. Your critiques of the state are local in time and geography to today and where you live.
Humans have come up with wildly different ways, and there are many more that might only be enabled now in what’s effectively a post scarcity economy with respect to our basic needs. We are overproducing and wasting every single thing a human needs: shelter, clothing, food. Yet people still don’t have those things. Is this an efficient economy?
You don’t owe me anything, but maybe you’ll find it interesting to think about these things and learn about wildly different ways that things could be working so that you can broaden your imagination. A skim of the topics in here might inspire https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works
The problem is that the state will not ever serve the peoples interest, that power will be taken by the powerful and directed where they want.
I think your biggest problem is that your dream includes taking away my rights to interact with people as I wish. I want you to have freedom, but you want to take away my freedom. We can run down the various reasons why socialism/communism dont work even in theory, but I dont think that will help you see what the end result would be.
As I said my dream is anarchism, which has free association as part of its core. I’m separating that from my idea of how a state should function because states are something we have to live under today.
Anarchism is compatible with (to put it mildly) communism and socialism. In fact you’d be hard pressed to find anarchists who aren’t those things. And it does not require anyone to be forced into anything.
You said left anarchism which is the communist side of things. The libertarian side has a lot of anarchists, and those are the most famous ones. See Dave Smith and Michael Malice. Communism is the biggest form of government in the end, you have to use force to get people like me to do what you want.
You’re very misinformed. All Anarchists are opposed to all forms of oppression and free association is core to left anarchism as well. Communism is not the same as authoritarianism.
You’ve completely bought the propaganda, I’m sad to say. I encourage you to do research.
I don’t respect Libertarians for the most part, because they’re individualists for the most part, and they don’t usually oppose capitalism, which an authoritarian economic system
Why would I join you in your communist utopia if I dont want to?
Let me leave you with another question seeing as you seem to be a pro capitalist “anarchist”
Why should workers take orders from dictators? Why is the economy authoritarian and not democratic
The only reason someone should take orders from a dicator is if they will die if they dont (or be imprisoned). The economy is not authoritarian, if you dont want to work with me you dont have to. The part that gets authortarian is when the government wont just let you live out in the woods off the land or in some other way. But that is arguably a good thing overall, but could be reduced to allow you to have complete economic freedom.
If you don’t want to work in a capitalist system you don’t have to, you just do if you want to eat or have shelter… You’re so ignorant, willfully so, it’s depressing
Editing to remove snippy comment. You should just learn about anarchism on your own. You’re asking redundant questions.
I probably know more than you do about communism; what would you do if I didnt agree to join your “utopia”?
You’re a waste of time. You’re not speaking in good faith. Fuck you and have a nice day.
Pro-capital anarchism is a joke, your ideology is an oxymoron.
You could educate yourself but instead you keep asking the stupidest gotcha question. If you knew anything about communism or anarchism you’d understand that your question is laughable.
I’m not going to explain, and you’re welcome to think you’re right, but know that you’re completely ignorant and that’s just sad