So… basically white liberals that wants everything to continue as normal as long as the political establishment remains quiet about it?
Yes, white liberals. Also others. Like I said, I think the majority of people.
How does that change anything?
It doesn’t. It’s not meant to. It’s not a revolutionary action, it’s a harm reduction measure, like I said.
It’s one thing to not realize it’s a “good cop/bad cop” routine - it’s quite another to realize what it is and then still fall for it by pretending that the (supposed) “good cop” isn’t a cop.
I’m not falling for anything or pretending. I know I’m being subjected to the good cop, bad cop routine, I know the good cop is a cop, I know he is not my friend, I know he is against me. I have been given very few options and I’m choosing the least bad.
What white liberals say is “good” for them is diametrically opposed to what is good for everybody else. I don’t think Palestinians (and the majority of the world’s people whose sympathy has now decisively swung their way) believe that a “quieter” genocide (which is what white liberals want) would be “good” for them, for instance.
it’s a harm reduction measure,
There’s a fine line between harm reduction and appeasement.
I have been given very few options
Just a suggestion… but perhaps it’s time you start to think critically about the people and institutions “giving” you these (so-called) “options?”
It might not sound like much - but everything has to start somewhere.
What makes you think a Trump presidency would be better for Palestinians?
No, it will be pretty much exactly the same - caveat being that Trump is politically incompetent at this game, which could (and that’s a pretty risky “could”) prove better for the Palestinian resistance in the long run. But that is neither here nor there and perfectly impossible to predict - the only thing we can predict is an escalation of US foreign policy (for Israel, of course), and that will remain the exact same whether under Trump or Biden.
Of course… if Biden (somehow) manages to win in November white liberals in the US will conveniently forget about Gaza - something that won’t happen under Trump.
I have thought critically about it.
So have you figured out why (so-called) “liberal democracy” only manages to be about as “democratic” as “social darwinism” is Darwinist?
You keep telling me what won’t work or what won’t change anything, now tell me what will. You’re implying there’s some course of action I haven’t considered. Well, what is it? You want to save Palestinian lives, ok, how?
Well, that’s not really what I was saying. Sure, I have considered many different forms of political action. My question, really, and I should have clarified this better, is: what other course of political action is available to me, here, in the US, today? Protesting? Maybe I’m wrong, but that doesn’t seem to accomplish much of anything. Joining some political advocacy group? Trying to lobby politicians? I’m sorry, but, all of those seem pretty pointless to me.
Protesting? Maybe I’m wrong, but that doesn’t seem to accomplish much of anything.
No arguments from me there - the liberal brand of protesting is designed to accomplish absolutely nothing. That’s why it’s the only form of protest that is legal.
But then again… there are forms of protesting that aren’t liberal-approved - and have proved very effective.
I’m sorry, but, all of those seem pretty pointless to me.
As pointless as kicking the fascism can four years down the road? that’s literally your best-case scenario come November - according to liberal-approved politicians and their bootlicker media, anyway.
I’m not telling you not to vote - you should vote. Vote for that sack of lying shit called Biden (or whatever sack of lying shit they’re going to replace him with) because they aren’t giving you a choice.
The fact that the liberals aren’t giving you a choice means the liberals lied to you - you don’t live in a democratic society and you never have. But that also means you’re not bound to only consider liberal-approved politics, are you?
But that also means you’re not bound to only consider liberal-approved politics, are you?
Uh, yeah. I am literally bound. We all are, constrained by laws and the state. Try to go outside those bounds and you end up in prison, or dead. And if you die, you won’t be a martyr, you’ll just be some fool who fucked around and found out.
Voting for the bad, but marginally less bad option
“Lesser evilism” is hitting rock bottom, Clyde - and so is liberalism itself. That is perfectly apparent - liberals refusing to believe it is irrelevant. “Voting harder” will not stop that, and the chances of voting even slowing it down was a decent argument in 2020, but not after liberalism showed the entire planet it’s true hand in a little place called Gaza.
Insight a revolution?
Do you have the power or the know-how to do that, perhaps? No? Then I guess the answer is no, isn’t it?
I will tell you what I tell every liberal that demands convenient solutions as soon as an actual leftist points out the gigantic gaping holes in the liberal world-view - start by doing the work of actually understanding how you got into this mess in the first place.
It’s not much, but it’s a start. And it’s a shit-ton more politically pro-active than simply voting for some guy in an expensive suit.
Yes, white liberals. Also others. Like I said, I think the majority of people.
It doesn’t. It’s not meant to. It’s not a revolutionary action, it’s a harm reduction measure, like I said.
I’m not falling for anything or pretending. I know I’m being subjected to the good cop, bad cop routine, I know the good cop is a cop, I know he is not my friend, I know he is against me. I have been given very few options and I’m choosing the least bad.
What white liberals say is “good” for them is diametrically opposed to what is good for everybody else. I don’t think Palestinians (and the majority of the world’s people whose sympathy has now decisively swung their way) believe that a “quieter” genocide (which is what white liberals want) would be “good” for them, for instance.
There’s a fine line between harm reduction and appeasement.
Just a suggestion… but perhaps it’s time you start to think critically about the people and institutions “giving” you these (so-called) “options?”
It might not sound like much - but everything has to start somewhere.
What makes you think a Trump presidency would be better for Palestinians?
I have thought critically about it. Was thinking critically about these things supposed to reveal some new avenue to me that I hadn’t considered?
No, it will be pretty much exactly the same - caveat being that Trump is politically incompetent at this game, which could (and that’s a pretty risky “could”) prove better for the Palestinian resistance in the long run. But that is neither here nor there and perfectly impossible to predict - the only thing we can predict is an escalation of US foreign policy (for Israel, of course), and that will remain the exact same whether under Trump or Biden.
Of course… if Biden (somehow) manages to win in November white liberals in the US will conveniently forget about Gaza - something that won’t happen under Trump.
So have you figured out why (so-called) “liberal democracy” only manages to be about as “democratic” as “social darwinism” is Darwinist?
You keep telling me what won’t work or what won’t change anything, now tell me what will. You’re implying there’s some course of action I haven’t considered. Well, what is it? You want to save Palestinian lives, ok, how?
So, just to be clear… you have never considered any other form of political action other than voting for a rich guy in an over-priced suit?
Well, that’s not really what I was saying. Sure, I have considered many different forms of political action. My question, really, and I should have clarified this better, is: what other course of political action is available to me, here, in the US, today? Protesting? Maybe I’m wrong, but that doesn’t seem to accomplish much of anything. Joining some political advocacy group? Trying to lobby politicians? I’m sorry, but, all of those seem pretty pointless to me.
No arguments from me there - the liberal brand of protesting is designed to accomplish absolutely nothing. That’s why it’s the only form of protest that is legal.
But then again… there are forms of protesting that aren’t liberal-approved - and have proved very effective.
As pointless as kicking the fascism can four years down the road? that’s literally your best-case scenario come November - according to liberal-approved politicians and their bootlicker media, anyway.
I’m not telling you not to vote - you should vote. Vote for that sack of lying shit called Biden (or whatever sack of lying shit they’re going to replace him with) because they aren’t giving you a choice.
The fact that the liberals aren’t giving you a choice means the liberals lied to you - you don’t live in a democratic society and you never have. But that also means you’re not bound to only consider liberal-approved politics, are you?
Uh, yeah. I am literally bound. We all are, constrained by laws and the state. Try to go outside those bounds and you end up in prison, or dead. And if you die, you won’t be a martyr, you’ll just be some fool who fucked around and found out.
What do you want him to do? Insight a revolution? Voting for the bad, but marginally less bad option is better than nothing.
“Lesser evilism” is hitting rock bottom, Clyde - and so is liberalism itself. That is perfectly apparent - liberals refusing to believe it is irrelevant. “Voting harder” will not stop that, and the chances of voting even slowing it down was a decent argument in 2020, but not after liberalism showed the entire planet it’s true hand in a little place called Gaza.
Do you have the power or the know-how to do that, perhaps? No? Then I guess the answer is no, isn’t it?
I will tell you what I tell every liberal that demands convenient solutions as soon as an actual leftist points out the gigantic gaping holes in the liberal world-view - start by doing the work of actually understanding how you got into this mess in the first place.
It’s not much, but it’s a start. And it’s a shit-ton more politically pro-active than simply voting for some guy in an expensive suit.