While they are facist sympathizers in that they vote red with their ehad in the sand, wether they know it or not, what do you gain by calling them that?
I’m not seeking to gain anything. But I do want to live in reality, and so I will call a fascist sympathizer a fascist sympathizer.
Nothing really, its just inflammatory, and it will drive them farther towards the facist ideology as it will be the only place that will accept them.
Those lifelong GOP voters were already going to end up fully in cult mode in support of fascism, or they were eventually going to snap out of it. Calling them what they are doesn’t change that.
that person wont identify as such, but they will recognize the attack on them, put up their guard, and then its done.
They put up their guard 8 years ago during the 2016 election. Nothing you say to them will change anything.
If you want to convince people of stuff, you have to find middle ground with them first and then broach topics from your point of view without speaking in antagonizing labels
There are some people who aren’t worth convincing though. And they’re called fascist sympathizers. It is not possible to convince them to change course.
In fact even using the word facist wont help, you may have better progress by getting them to agree the constitution is a marvelous document we should protect, they will agree, this is common ground, then you say something like “its a real shame it doesn’t hold the supreme court accountable for bribes though” or maybe “its a real shame that they are trying to give the executive branch unchecked power” as this is definitely not what the framers ever had in mind, its the exact opposite,. But this is how you argue stuff to affect change.
And right after that they’ll vote Trump anyways.
Great is the enemy of good, anything that gets rid of the 2 party system while allowing multiple parties can and should be supported whole heartedly.
I never said perfection was required. I am simply saying, if we are going to spend effort on election reform it should be the best option. The resources needed to run an election is pretty much the same regardless of which type it is.
It sounds like were at an impasse, I want to fix the problem before it evolves farther, but you think its already past saving, or at the very least you can only see a route to saving the country that goes through calling half the country fascists and hoping they listen.
can only see a route to saving the country that goes through calling half the country fascists and hoping they listen.
You do realize that only about 1/3rd of the country actually votes/voted for Trump, right? And of that third, not all of them are fervent supporters/outright fascists. If half of his voters are fervent supporters, that means only about 1/6th of the country is fascist, and another 1/6th sympathetic. You are overstating this.
But yeah, there is definitely an impasse with the rest.
I’m not seeking to gain anything. But I do want to live in reality, and so I will call a fascist sympathizer a fascist sympathizer.
Those lifelong GOP voters were already going to end up fully in cult mode in support of fascism, or they were eventually going to snap out of it. Calling them what they are doesn’t change that.
They put up their guard 8 years ago during the 2016 election. Nothing you say to them will change anything.
There are some people who aren’t worth convincing though. And they’re called fascist sympathizers. It is not possible to convince them to change course.
And right after that they’ll vote Trump anyways.
I never said perfection was required. I am simply saying, if we are going to spend effort on election reform it should be the best option. The resources needed to run an election is pretty much the same regardless of which type it is.
It sounds like were at an impasse, I want to fix the problem before it evolves farther, but you think its already past saving, or at the very least you can only see a route to saving the country that goes through calling half the country fascists and hoping they listen.
You do realize that only about 1/3rd of the country actually votes/voted for Trump, right? And of that third, not all of them are fervent supporters/outright fascists. If half of his voters are fervent supporters, that means only about 1/6th of the country is fascist, and another 1/6th sympathetic. You are overstating this.
But yeah, there is definitely an impasse with the rest.
I misspoke, I believe you said facist sympathizers if they vote for trump previously.