Anything more than a plain html website is bourgeois decadence.
sorry sweaty, CSS is reactionary
I mean, as a professional fullstack developer (so also frontend) there kinda is something to it.
I know this has been posted on jest, but this is slander.
marxists.org is not only perfectly fine, it’s a sight to behold and replicate.
Hell actually, if anything I still believe it can be improved because https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ is peak web design and if you think otherwise you’re simply wrong.
CSS is bourgeois decadence and JavaScript is fascistic techbro overreach into my computer.
Thank you for your service.
The second I’ve seen that meme I was 100% sure I would find you in the comments protesting.
It’s just what I do 🫶
All of them are revisionism because I said so
No they fucking aren’t. Accessibility is important. Security is important. I want to be able to read this in bed, without the lightmode bullshit. I want my websites to be FOSS. The only revisionism is thebestmotherfuckingwebsite.co, fuck JS.
That was a joke lmao
I honestly like how blowback.show looks and the other websites you posted are also good.
Except for JavaScript, I hate it to no end.
CSS is a good tool, and I just don’t like it being over done. If a website lacks it, like the original motherfucking website, I tend to use Firefox’s reading mode.
OP of comment of GitHub link here. I also like RedSails for its minimalist style. A couple more examples I like (not communist but minimalist techie blogs) include this and this.
Also, I believe this guy in Greece (who is currently trying to build a hut as he can longer afford rent) is
socialist(never mind, just an anti-communist leftist, but I still like some of his ideas), and he’s an emacs user and contributor (as a philosopher who started off with no understanding in technology, interestingly) who made this nice, minimalist website.I like how red sails shows footnotes.
Oh yeah, it’s so convenient and sincere like “Yeah we’ve got the receipts, wanna see?”
You can easily cross check them without the website having to jump constantly making reading an annoying mess.
I know. And I realise that it isn’t clear that my comment is just made in the style of the websites, I’m not actually angry.
(also not OP. Well, not the one that posted the github link)
I was loving that website until it said it is sarcastic…
motherfuckingwebsite.com is peak design, and that’s how I would design my website.
The person may have been sarcastic but I sure ain’t. I also was for some really extatic when I visited https://blowback.show/ because I loved their relatively simple website design. It’s fucking great.
yeah, you’re not tripping that site is good
https://marxists.org is just fine
it’s very utilitarian :)
I dont know much about web design but the site is probably burdened by being very old. The layout is executed using a combination of classes and CSS but most of what an article needs is baked into the HTML spec these days. For example <aside> tags and stuff. There are custom CSSs for the website on GitHub and they turn out to be more complicated than expected because of how the pages are designed.</aside>
yeah for sure, leveraging modern HTML features could make it a lot cleaner
It’s not. Works by various authors have different html formatting that make it very difficult to consistently scrape. Splitting works into several pages makes it impossible to send them to pocket (or FOSS equivalents). It sucks for anything other than reading in their website.
Even the ProleWiki library? 😥
Only love for ProleWiki!
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LMAO. The libs found you on some post and down voted all your comments.
it’s pretty hilarious that they actually spend time doing that
Is this some coding meme that I’m too much of a layman to understand?
HTML is like the AK47 of web design. It does the job and respects the user.
Marxists can stop enshittification. Simple HTML websites embody the proletarian spirit.
Letting websites run arbitrary code on your device was a grave mistake
it wasn’t a mistake, it was very well planned and executed without most people having a clue
under evil communist rule developers are banned from embedding javascript
I think it’s basically making fun of marxists.org having garish UX
By “garish” presumably you mean “awesome”
It does have a certain charm to it I will admit, but it is an inconsistent mess and could be a lot cleaner in my opinion.
“inconvenient” is my biggest problem with it. Just use a single format for every work and add some html classes so I can scrape it easier.
What’s UX?
user experience
Tbh, I love minimal websites. This could be my nostalgia speaking, though. Nevertheless, small websites means less bandwidth requirements for our comrades with slow internet.
Plus, text-focused websites tend to be higher quality and actually have meaningful content.
I’m all for minimalism, but I don’t think that has to be at odds with the site looking nice and clean. Lemmy is a good example of a site that looks pretty minimal, but also looks nice visually.
Maybe something like this? https://github.com/muxelplexer/marxists-org-dark-stylized
Better and consistent styling would definitely help, but it would be nice to have good search, better navigation, etc. It’d be great to take all the content from marxists.org and shove it into a modern content management system.
I have wanted to make “mirrors” of Marxist websites and port them to different formats and protocols. I will keep this in mind. Sounds like a fun project.
I’m coming out of left field but if you have these tech skills you can probably help us at prolewiki instead.
The problem with MIA is they’re trots, and not only that but they actually edit texts they don’t like. They’ve admitted to it too and it was after finding this out that I started distancing myself from them. How can you trust anything you read on the MIA if you don’t have any other version to check it against?
They do have thousands of texts which you can’t readily find elsewhere, and I like reading in HTML format instead of always downloading a PDF that’s just a scan of a book (on PW we’re actually looking for a solution to turn our pages into PDFs for local storage + we have built-in dark mode). It helps that they’ve been doing this since the 90s.
But if it’s just a matter of having more texts then we can shine here as well with rarer books until we can eventually (maybe) catch up to their sheer volume of works. And to achieve that, we need people to upload texts, that would be dope. But if you have skills in webdev or design I assure you there’s definitely stuff to be done.
I’m not so much of a web dev, but I have a two year degree in Computer Information Systems, which is basically Computer Science (including GUI, web, and database development), though finding a job has been impossible for me, even in IT Support, thus I am going back to school to study Electrical Engineering. I run Gentoo Linux and have intermediate knowledge of the Linux ecosystem, hell even Windows now given my work experience. I’m sort of a jack of “many” trades in IT at this point, more or less, and I learn very quickly.
Nevertheless, I figured such a project would be a fun hobby project, but I have wanted to help out Marxist organizations and websites on their technological front as well. I am super busy, however, and it takes me months to even complete my own projects. I would probably be able to help on the side when I am doing college or potentially if and when I get a job that gives me more free time (hell, even PTO, being a contractor sucks). I already have a huge and growing backlog of projects I have been needing to do, but helping Marxist and tech documentation websites preserve their content has been a major concern of mine, especially in light of Google’s Web Environment Integrity API development.
Thank you for informing me about MIA. I had no idea they manipulated texts and are trots. I am definitely going to be wary of them now.
I documented some of their edits here: https://hexbear.net/comment/3599050
It’s because of trickery such as this that we decided that on the prolewiki library we would not edit texts from the original.
Note that Mastering Bolshevism seems to be the title marx2mao gave to these two speeches collected from Stalin, a more common title is indeed the one marxists.org uses.
Anyway, you can request an account freely on prolewiki and then use it when you feel like it or when you have time. https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Special:RequestAccount
i am pro website brutalism ( pretty cool website i found that collects this aesthetic https://brutalistwebsites.com/ )
The right parenthesis is breaking the url, btw, in case you want to fix it.
JavaScript is bourgeois
Thankfully Anarchists are better at web design, so I can read theory without dying of bad interface. The Anarchist Library, Crimethinc, even the IWW all look pretty good. If you want minimalist, we got that too.
The only thing I look in a website for is an https protocol. Marxists.org has it, but there are some other sources of theory that are as ancient but were never updated, and thus remain http.
