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      They need to belong to a team. A tribe. Everyone wants friends, a social group. Humans are pack animals, we don’t do well in isolation. But I’ll never understand the “My Team No Matter What” mindset. Life is not a zero sum game. These people believe that if someone else is given something, they themselves must be losing something. Republican philosophy appeals to greed, envy, and selfishness, and attracts those who believe in those things.

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      Yeah, I don’t think weird is a strong enough word to describe them. This shit is beyond weird 🤨

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        I can find these people repulsive and dangerous while acknowledging that we belong to the same species. It’s not something they’re capable of giving away, even when they act inhumanly.

        It’s not like recognizing reality grants them some clemency or grace. This isn’t even the point, but if anything it damns them further, because (if you believe in free will) it means they could choose to be better.

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          it’s not about being the same species.

          this is, in fact, about the criteria for intelligence inclusive of non-human intelligences

          we can’t just say ‘all humans are automatically in’. if you’re not going to be a bigoted piece of shit. and I think it’s pretty clear there are entirely non-hypothetical non-human people. elephants, dolphins, corvids, octopi, etc. these are persons. on top of hypothetical non-human people we might make from the thought-sand or find out amongst the stars, who we should have some metric to at least indicate personhood for.

          so, if the criteria isn’t just “human” (which is bigoted as shit) then you need other criteria; a bar which it is at least hypothetically possible for a human to limbo under, with fascists being the world limbo champions. on purpose. intentionally. to the point insisting they are human and have all the capacities and fullness of humans (which, remember, they don’t want, and are mostly upset by the existence of) seems disrespectful. they’re objects. like a desk. that isn’t to say you should attack them because they’re objects. I am currently surrounded by objects that I would rather not see attacked. it just means there’s no moral dimension to any degree of self defense, if, say; my purse tries to kill me and I need to stab it.

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            we can’t just say ‘all humans are automatically in’.

            We can. Humanity and personhood can be distinct. We can just say that. For instance a brain-dead human is still a human despite lacking all self-awareness and intelligence. That’s fine.

            Not trying to be rude, but I’m not even sure what your point is. Denying a bigot’s humanity because a cuttlefish is a person… You’re making a connection somewhere that I’m just not getting.

            I’m saying someone is a human being regardless of their intelligence or compassion. I think you may be going by Frank Herbert’s or another’s définition.


            EDIT oh I just saw the last paragraph. I see now. I don’t disagree that fascists are lacking in certain critical faculties or even that defending your rights with violence is wrong, but I do think it’s dangerous to de-humanise others to the degree you’re doing.

            For one, I don’t think humans who lack empathy, etc are P Zombies or anything, so they are capable of experiencing complex pain and distress. They’re not things.

            Secondly, they can sometimes change and “become” human through experiences. Like what about the hardcore fascist 17 year old, who already had the seeds of doubt germinating in their subconscious? Undoubtedly still dangerous, but very much a full human.

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          no, they did that, deliberately and by choice. if you treat them like people they get mad, and I think it might be unethical if you see them as such.

          unethical as in, like, violating their consent and contradicting their self image and shit. they do not consent to common human decency, and wouldn’t accept it in good faith if they could, which they cannot.

          edit: think about it like using the wrong pronouns for someone because you think they’re such a cute (their AAB gender), it’s fucking rude. no matter how cute a (whatever) you think of them as. they don’t want you to.

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            Dude if you aren’t a troll, go and sit and really think about what you just said, because it’s both disgusting and absolutely insane. This is some deep trump cultist bullshit.

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              this has been explicitly stated by some fascists in the past, there was this one german guy, forget his name, after world war one, fucked him up a bunch I think, and then went hard into that masturbating-to-being-crushed-in-the-bowels-of-the-machine marionetti shit to be a super-loyal nazi with the explicitly stated goal of crushing out all the humanity from him/the world (IDR it was a footnote on something I read years ago) then switched to bolshevism when he met a lenninist, because he thought that was worse.

              it’s like shitting on someone’s weird it/it’s neopronouns. treating fascists like people is rude. to the fascists. and to all the kids who played games where they shot a bunch of extremely blocky nazis growing up and dont want to have to be fucking woke about it and pretend they’re people now.

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          no, im saying we should respect their dehumanization of themselves.

          it’s not a reason to do violence to them. my shoes aren’t people, and I would be upset if you fed them through a wood chipper. just a reason not to feel too bad if we need to.

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          What, exactly, is the problem with rejecting the humanity of people who literally believe in race science and want to literally kill you in mass genocide?

          Liberals will go to any lengths to defend fascists if it means they can send one last sneer to the left, holy shit.

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    This is so weird, I would think it’s a parody or false flag.

    But no, apparently it’s true.

    Same energy as the Trump diapers and ear patches.

    Weird and crazy. I would be ashamed to be associated with this crowd.

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      I also instinctively thought to myself ‘this has got to be bullshit, you probably could get Grok to generate these images’.

      Then I remembered that it was only about two months ago that Trump supporters were wearing diapers to rallies… because… Trump wear diaper, people make fun of Trump wear diaper, so if we wear diaper, it like we ‘reclaiming’ diapers like how f@gs reclaimed f@g.

      That line of logic plus: anything that elicits … well it used to be anger, but now we’ll settle for confusion, genuine disgust, an exasperated sigh, any reaction at all, or even if there is no reaction but we know it secretly makes people mad… well that’s what you call owning the libs.

      These people long since passed the point of being indistinguishable from poe’s, from parodies of themselves, and are now much closer to brainwashed fanatical cultists… who have the mental faculties of a ‘friend’ group of 6th grade narcissist bullies.

      I really want this to be a spoof, its possible it could be (i am too tired to check), but its also entirely in line with these fascist goobers.

      So anyway, if these are real… does one keep this as a collectible of faux rotten semen, for display on a mantle or desk, or does one use the faux sperm receptacle to drink out of and mockingly pretend to be guzzling cum? See its funny cuz its not cum but you thought it was, moron.

      Fucking w e i r d.

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        Hey! Whoa!!! Thats uncalled for! As someone with two older sisters, who used to regularly call me goober, using the term in that way is an insult to honest well meaning goobers everywhere! We may be whimsicle, we may be weird, we may be happy go lucky…but we are NOT to be assosiated with facists!

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          After a lifetime of claiming that being weird is cooler because being normal is boring I may have to give that one up. Being a Trump cultist is NOT what I want people to think of if I say I’m a little weird.

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        It would be a shame if Vance dropped out and someone got stuck with a storage unit full of unsold cum shot glasses

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      Now I want to false flag more weird performance art ideas when maga does things in my town. Seems easy to get them on board.

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      Weird and crazy. I would be ashamed to be associated with this crowd.

      These are my compatriots. I am ashamed.

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    This CANNOT be real. Even the MAGA cult would refuse to do such a thing. Even if the cups are empty, it’s unimaginably weird. I can only accept it as a quick joke between 5-6 people that took some photos and ended after a few minutes. Not as something organized.

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        I’m not even making a joke here but does this guy trigger anyone elses gaydar at all?

        I know he’s married with a family but when I see him, or especially see him talking/moving I definitely get a vibe you know?

        It’s the same vibe I get from Charlie Kirk.

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          aside from having peter thiels arm so far up he can taste it, he spends his time on a discord server full of 20 yr old statue-perv greek-gay fascists.

          so yes, in the worst way. kind of why he thinks women are only useful for reproduction.

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          He’s a narcissist who was smarter than the other trailer park kids, and wants to distance himself as much as possible from his heritage. I’ve seen it a million times. They’re snobbish, materialistic, judgemental, cruel, and just extremely unpleasant individuals. I’m slightly sympathetic in that they’re damaged individuals, but I’ll never trust one, and they don’t give two shits about anyone who doesn’t benefit them, or they’re not related to. And the latter is entirely situational and transactional. They’ll abandon family in a heartbeat if they’re determined a liability or embarrassment.

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          He’s for sure gay. He talks in his book about when he was “tricked” into believing he was gay. He has just suppressed it his entire life. It’s probably why he’s such a sad weird loser.

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    I’m sorry, they are doing what now? I don’t believe I read this correctly…especially not on The Onion’s site. And they somehow don’t see anything weird about this?

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    J.D. Vance dresses in drag, thought he was gay, and expirements sexually. No doubt the Republicans are doing this to show solidarity for the LGBT community; cause this is pretty gay.