• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 year ago

    a lot of what is fed to animals is the waste from crops that go to humans first. the same land growing food for animals is the same land growing food for people.

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      1 year ago

      My dude you are either being misled or are attempting to mislead. Yes some inedible material from crops we eat is used and in some countries like the US they even feed garbage to pigs.

      If you are taking the ‘nothing gets wasted approach’ it absolutely does, Americans waste 40% of all their food availability for example.

      But to the point they absolutely are clearcutting rainforests and other lands specifically to increase feed production for animals. They absolutely feed a shitload of human edible material to animals grown specifically for animals. I’m too lazy to reiterate statistics to a single person who will see it so for the love of God please research this and do not send me any regenerative animal farming bullshit that does not scale.

      https://ourworldindata.org/land-use

      https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impacts-of-food

      https://ourworldindata.org/food-ghg-emissions

      https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local

      https://ourworldindata.org/less-meat-or-sustainable-meat

      https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impact-milks

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        1 year ago

        every one of those links is just rehashed poore nemecek 2018. I’m dubious about their methodology.

        my dude.

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          I honestly don’t care if you believe in the particulars of their methodology.

          Let me be even MORE straightforward. Feeding animals plant calories (yes, human edible plant calories) to feed yourself animal calories is literally a caloric deficient. You would have to break the laws of thermodynamics to get more calories out of feeding animals plants to eat them rather than feeding yourself those same plants. It is inherently less efficient. Are you about to move the goalpost further and debate the laws of thermodynamics?

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            1 year ago

            ruminants can be raised entirely on grazing, and nothing is more efficient than letting an animal live until it’s fat enough and slaughtering it.

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              Are they raised entirely on grazing though? Are you in hypothetical land where people eat 1% of the total meat they currently do eating only animals that exclusively graze?

              No.

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                  A) Congratulations, you account for almost no one on Earth and haven’t accounted for the totality of it in determining how people should/can live in regards to the environment. Your worldview is extremely biased in determining appropriate models if you think people can/do eat animals that exclusively graze.

                  B) Are you not also still neglecting to consider the methane release of those grazing animals?

                  C) even if the environmental factor were not real, which it is, you’d still be facilitating intentional animal murder. An already disagreeable matter.

                  Reminder that you started with ‘I dont see how less workers would be exploited.’ And we’ve arrived here. Are you by chance anti-vegan or have any personal financial investment in animal agriculture? The degree to which you are interested in justifying environmental damage and animal murder on the grounds of your local meat market being isolated from reality and that almost no on has or can have access to seems entirely lacking a basis for this level of argumentation and I’m growing tired of arguing with someone who cannot grasp this.

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                    1 year ago

                    you’re attitude is shitty. you can’t accept that you made a hyperbolic claim and go off on rants that cross the line into hostility to someone who had the temerity to disbelieve your wild claim. get help.

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                    Are you by chance anti-vegan or have any personal financial investment in animal agriculture?

                    I am not antivegan

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                    Your worldview is extremely biased in determining appropriate models if you think people can/do eat animals that exclusively graze.

                    people absolutely do that.

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                    you started with ‘I dont see how less workers would be exploited.’

                    and you still haven’t made a compelling case, but you have shown that it’s not even a real concern for you, given that you are actually interested in pushing an ideology and are grasping at straws to support it.

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                    Are you by chance anti-vegan or have any personal financial investment in animal agriculture?

                    my identity is irrelevant to whether I am right