EXCLUSIVE: Carl Baxter, a MAGA fan who heads up a county Republican club in Florida, is suing the Koch Brothers’ Americans for Prosperity over alleged discrimination
You, me; and everyone here knows damn well that very few bigots change
because the bigot had the choice to change
So I like how you’re giving them agency and saying it’s on them to change. So my perspective is an extension of that. They are adults, I expect them to behave like one and/or be ready for the consequences.
So if someone knowingly acts as hostile as a bear, imo you should treat them like a bear to further discourage said behaviour. Imo its the biggest issue today, especially in politics (Harris’ campaign is turning it around it seems).
When someone acts horribly and in bad faith, you can’t act back in good faith and give them the benefit of the doubt or “realize their capacity to change”. You call them weird, you treat them like a bear.
I think the difference is in how you and I treat bears lol. I treat bears as valuable members of an ecosystem that’re best kept in the wild, though can be glorious to view from a distance. I treat bigots like losers who need to be stopped because they’re going to hurt someone. We mock them, we keep their victims safe, and most importantly we make sure that they don’t get their way. Please don’t treat your local wildlife like that.
I recognize their capacity to change in that by applying sufficient pressure I can make them quit being so on this weirdo bullshit. They may stay a bigot but by the gods we can shut them the fuck up.
And I guess really the crux of my original stance is that if anyone deserves racism it’s a bigot, they’re experiencing hate like they express, but I don’t think anyone deserves racism. I’d rather he face no racism than any, so long as it means there’s no racism being faced by non bigoted people either.
I do agree with pretty much all that you’re saying. Especially the part that ideally, we are all human and human suffering (like experiencing racism) should be minimized.
Maybe it’s my age, but I guess I assume there will always be bigots and bad actors out there, yes we should actively fight to minimize it, but at the same time, after all those minimization efforts, we should still want and expect people to have critical thinking.
I guess even though bad actors aren’t good to have, I view them as almost a necessary evil (similar to how a bear is part of the ecosystem) so people learn about evil and critical thinking. Having said that, we are have waaaaaay more bad actors today than necessary.
So I like how you’re giving them agency and saying it’s on them to change. So my perspective is an extension of that. They are adults, I expect them to behave like one and/or be ready for the consequences.
So if someone knowingly acts as hostile as a bear, imo you should treat them like a bear to further discourage said behaviour. Imo its the biggest issue today, especially in politics (Harris’ campaign is turning it around it seems).
When someone acts horribly and in bad faith, you can’t act back in good faith and give them the benefit of the doubt or “realize their capacity to change”. You call them weird, you treat them like a bear.
When they go low, they got a knee to the face.
I think the difference is in how you and I treat bears lol. I treat bears as valuable members of an ecosystem that’re best kept in the wild, though can be glorious to view from a distance. I treat bigots like losers who need to be stopped because they’re going to hurt someone. We mock them, we keep their victims safe, and most importantly we make sure that they don’t get their way. Please don’t treat your local wildlife like that.
I recognize their capacity to change in that by applying sufficient pressure I can make them quit being so on this weirdo bullshit. They may stay a bigot but by the gods we can shut them the fuck up.
And I guess really the crux of my original stance is that if anyone deserves racism it’s a bigot, they’re experiencing hate like they express, but I don’t think anyone deserves racism. I’d rather he face no racism than any, so long as it means there’s no racism being faced by non bigoted people either.
I do agree with pretty much all that you’re saying. Especially the part that ideally, we are all human and human suffering (like experiencing racism) should be minimized.
Maybe it’s my age, but I guess I assume there will always be bigots and bad actors out there, yes we should actively fight to minimize it, but at the same time, after all those minimization efforts, we should still want and expect people to have critical thinking.
I guess even though bad actors aren’t good to have, I view them as almost a necessary evil (similar to how a bear is part of the ecosystem) so people learn about evil and critical thinking. Having said that, we are have waaaaaay more bad actors today than necessary.
When a bear is eating your face you dab his chin with a napkin is the other guys point.