• Moc@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Great metaphor because poverty is a feature of capitalism

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        … let me be more clear. the suit is clogging a man-made object, stopping a public good from being delivered. nothing about this situation is natural. but it’s obviously unjust. none of this has to do with capitalism, it has to do with power (authoritarian communist states can just as easily shut off your water as private companies).

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    Same point could be made around wealth then, by the same logic 🤔

    Then there’s also a discussion to be had around why we distinguish between man made and natural in order to imply a judgement based on a pretence, an agenda.

    But if the point is that we could choose as humanity to end poverty, I’m totally in agreement with that part!

    Poverty is a collective choice, not inevitable

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    Humans don’t create prosperity. It was already here. Polluting the planet with artificial products and stealing resources intentionally for imagined prosperity is the act of humans and is not natural but a consequence of having free will and contemplative consciousness. Cutting off necessary resources for survival is cruel.

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      Humans absolutely created prosperity. The thing that was already here was nomadic hunter gatherer tribes that were perpetually one bad winter away from death.

      Cutting off necessary resources is cruel. But refusing to acknowledge that those resources are provided by man made systems doesn’t help you. Going to bed hungry is very natural. Wild animals do that all the time. Tap water is not natural, everything about how that water got from the river into your tap was man made.

      Just because it’s natural doesn’t mean it’s better, and just because it’s man made doesn’t mean it’s bad.

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        Prosperity is an idea not a reality. You have prosperity because you created an idea called wealth. And with that idea comes another idea called poverty.

        Were the cavemen prosperous? OFC. If they weren’t then we wouldn’t be here.

        Humans didn’t create anything. They manipulate what’s already here. They make illusions seem real.

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          By that reasoning there is nothing preventing you from being prosperous except your own greed.

          Go out into the wilderness and be prosperous like the cavemen. Having your tapwater taken away shouldn’t hinder you, those prosperous cavemen didn’t have the luxury of any modern amenities. Just the streams they could find and the food they could scavenge or kill.

          Abandon your greedy insistence on enjoying modern luxury and go prosper. You’re the only thing stopping yourself.

          And I’m sure you’ll have no trouble staying connected when you find the cellphone tree. After all, if humans didn’t create anything then everything must be naturally occurring. It’s just an illusion that modern technology requires creation of parts that could never exist naturally.

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    In a free market one person doesn’t get to control the water. Centralizing the control of water is government’s job.

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      Lol imagine if corporations controlled the water supply.

      Lead in you water? Oops! Hope you can afford a lawyer. Oh btw we’re the only water company in this town, just like the electricity and natural gas.

      At least you still have some control over the government (via voting), whereas you have zero control over corporations.