23 and me jump street but it’s all about railroading minorities that sent their dna to an FBI honeypot.

I just assumed that was the default lib reaction honestly. The majority of them memory holed their support for hilldawg and are now all in on ridin with biden

This all smells like encouraging voters to stay home because “both sides.”

God you people have a one track mind. No I am begging people to take more action (and responsibility) than just going to the voting booth once every 2, 4, 6 years etc.

Join a revolutionary party, join a mutual aid organization, volunteer whatever free time you can to actually doing something about issues you claim to care so dearly about. Maybe if you are of the privileged demographics put your body on the line to defend those targeted by state and or fascist violence.

Stop pretending like the only politics is liberal bourgeois democracy ffs. It’s sooooo god damn tiring.

And sure vote if you want to but stop blaming the people for reasonably checking out of this broken system while still doing the more important work of direct action for not endorsing literal genocide.

Like it or not that is materially what your vote does. It endorses the policies of the person you voted for. All of them.

Native Americans. In spite of the most successful attempt at genocide in human history they are still here and still have native speakers.

In fact they proved so resilient that one of the languages the US proposed be put on the forever warning signs for radioactive waste is Navajo, despite only about 8% of all indigenous people speaking their native tongue here. Basically the US govt was like “well if we the most bloodthirsty genocidal empire on the planet couldn’t finish the job probably nobody else can”

Which itself is a darkly funny example of American exceptionalism.

Yeah moments like that give me a glimmer of hope and a glimpse into a possible future where we can just party it up with comrades and celebrate liberation free from the threat of state violence.

cool no answer just a pithy condescending personal insult got it.

Motherfucker literally argued against hypothetically killing Hitler.

Scratch a liberal and a fascist fucking bleeds. I may still be an anarchist but I’d sign on with comrade Stalin at this point.

These people deserve the same fate as the Nazis. Yeah yeah I am being uncivil. Fuck if I care, civility is for cowards. What the fuck you gonna do vote me off the internet?

Hell yeah. I have a few Palestinian friends on discord, one in west bank one in Gaza.

Also I went out to karaoke the other night and met some peeps from Morocco and when they saw my pins while we were out on the patio smoking we all joined arms and started jumping to the music chanting “free free palestine”. We were all absolutely hammered and it was one of the best nights of my life in recent memory.

Well that’s not at all concerning…

I used to think nobody was stupid enough to kick off an apocalyptic nuclear war but in the last two years I feel like that belief may have been a bit naive.

I’m losing my shit here lmao liberals literally condemning the hypothetical killing of fuckin HITLER. What the actual fuck dude.

Things that can’t be dismissed online.

OH GOD NOO NOT THE GENOCIDAL POLITICANS NOOO

Yeah you’re not wrong but the whole OP was about voting as harm reduction which I fundamentally disagree with.

Fascism arises because of the collapse of institutional legitimacy of liberal institutions. That’s how we got trump and that’s how we’re gonna get what’s coming next after him, that’s gonna be even worse, because if you think that there’s not gonna be more ecological and economic catastrophes in the future that liberalism is wholly unsuited to fucking deal with and that that failure is not gonna lead to fascism filling that fucking hole, you’ve got another thing coming.

And that’s what these guys are. These guys who marched in Charlottesville, these are the people who are aware of the unspoken premise of the sort of zombie neoliberalism that we’re living in which is that we’re coming at a point that there’s gonna be ecological catastrophe and it’s going to either require mass redistribution of the ill-gotten gains of the first world or genocide.

And these are the first people who have basically said, “Well if thats the choice I choose genocide.” And they’re getting everybody else ready, intellectually and emotionally, for why that’s gonna be ok when it happens. Why they’re not really people. When we’re putting all this money into more fucking walls and drones and bombs and guns to keep them away so we can watch them die with clear consciences because we’ve been loaded with the ideology that these guys are now starting to express publicly.

On the other side of them you have people who are saying in full fucking voice, “No, we have the resources to save everybody, to give everybody a decent and worthwhile existence,” and that is what we want, and that is the fucking real difference between these two.

Paraphrasing Matt Christman.

In short by holding dear to these liberal institutions we are inadvertantly accelerating the rise of fascism.

I am saying neither will do less harm.

So why are you still bothering trying to tell people to vote for these ghouls?

I am mad and throwing civility out the window but I am also genuinely curious.

How do you hold those two contradictory thoughts together in your brain at the same time?

Please be civil

I will try to respect your rules better but I fundamentally disagree with civility/tone policing when it comes to literal genocide and people advocating voting for people facilitating said genocide.

Like I said before I got heated and that person strawmanned me saying I was advocating political assassinations. There is a world of action that needs to be taken outside of electoralism and focusing on elections and voting is something I feel is a distraction from What Is To Be Done.

I AM BEGGING YOU TO FUCKING DO MORE THAN VOTING AND STOP THINKING THAT VOTING IS GOING TO DO ANYTHING HOLY SHIT MAN.

I HATE that you fuckin libs think that politics ends at the ballot box and then when I say this this motherfucker makes up a strawman about me advocating political assassination.

You people are fucking useless.

And you are talking about voting for the people facilitating this: https://hexbear.net/post/2834712 CW SA And basically the most horrifying shit you’ve ever seen.

But sure take the moral high ground you freak.

Also, for the record I never stated support for political assassination. That is a strawman you made up to justify voting for these fucking monsters.

That is horrible binary thinking. There is a world of action between voting for liberals (unscratched fascists) and assassination (which if your government is run by fascists, does not, in fact, make you the greater evil)

Why are you libs always like this? Oh if you kill the evil people then you’re just as bad as them!

Okay have fun with that pacifism fetish when it leads you in front of a firing squad (which is the ultimate destination of the trajectory both our countries are on)

Read This Nonviolent Stuff’ll Get You Killed.

Well I am almost 40 and have seen the harm reduction argument lead the US right into Trump and now Biden who is nearly as bad. At some point you have to start to acknowledge that incrementalism is fuckin suicide.

I am saying neither will do less harm. We’ve had this tired debate too many times to go into it but in the case of Biden his administration has done nothing to reverse or curtail the worst of Trump’s policies and he managed to somehow be even MORE racist on immigration.

Lesser evilism is a trap and you are better off organizing more direct action. I don’t vote for either candidate that supports genocide, simple as.