Je ne vais pas sur les autres instances poser mes couilles sur la table et me plaindre à PHAROS

Ah ce truc de PHAROS ça m’a tué de rire !

C’est tellement cliché, les français ont vraiment ça dans le sang d’êtres des collabos.

It’s so confusing that they named their alliance AES

Yes! The western labour aristocracy benefits way too much from imperialism to oppose it.

BTW Rockhill just edited a 2018 Losurdo book specifically about western marxism! He talks about it here, it’s super interesting and perfectly describes what we have seen from jlai.lu. (he shits on Zizek during the interview for extra cookie points)

The PDF version of the book is on ProleWiki already.

I realise that my comment could be seen both as mean or as “nice” (I wouldn’t go as far as calling it nice personally, maybe neutral), It’s complicated to convey tone and intent through text. Also I’m particularly tired so I’m not making the best efforts to put in the form. Anyway I’m done for the night.

And I recommend every Hexbear and Lemmygrad users who brigaded jlai.lu and insulted them to do some serious self-criticism too. I don’t want to pretend that what was said wasn’t grave when the person behind it tries so hard to minimize it, that entire episode created a lot of heat and I don’t want it to be for nothing, I want to see some growth emerge out of it.

I don’t mind disengaging and let you handle all of it, I would prefer it actually, but in the end there can’t be acceptance if either side think they can disrespect the other.

That fable thing sounds like a bullshit excuse tbh.

Suppose he hates communists because he thinks their opinions are narrow, but when they try to get out of the well he beats them up so they stay in it, unable to expand their views and change? If he hates communists, why would he want them not to grow? That doesn’t make sense and he’s just trying to do some damage control to not look like a psycho.

Or maybe it true and he really thought it was witty, genuinely not seeing how dumb it actually is. But I doubt it.

You can hide behind Shrek references to make your threats if you want, they are still threats.

Everyone thinks what you said was gross, and your response to that is a classist “they think I’m gross because everyone else is so less educated than me”. That’s not it bro, it doesn’t matter, that’s not what the problem is, you can rob a bank and tell the police “but it was just a reference to Casa de Papel man, don’t you get it?” it won’t change anything about what will happen to you. This is literally you right now.

You need to log off and try to do some self-criticism. And if you find yourself in leftist spaces again in the future, know that you won’t get any sympathy with classist remarks in those places.

I didn’t do much with my comments honestly. As I said I would rather not interact, but when Camus quoted me to try to make a point I had to say something.

Thank you for debating them for so long, it’s crazy that you can tank so much liberal brain rot without going crazy honestly. You’re a legend man.

Dengists are pulling healthy peasantry and sustainable socialism to profit from foreign capital, maoists warn. 😡

Sorry I just read dengists instead of dentists and thought it was funny.

I did not know about the phrase…

It’s alright, it’s normal for someone who doesn’t speak french to not know it, furthermore if it’s the shortened form.

They are literaly making a french reddit

They actually are. Jlailu was the meme name that the french subreddit /r/rance gave to reddit (because reddit = read it = j’l’ai lu). They just copied that meme name and turned it into an actual reddit clone.

I didn’t clarify it in my first comment, but I’m personally against a defederation from jlai.lu. Even though I decided not to interact anymore, I understand that some comrades would still want to and I don’t want to take that away from them.

I agree with you that we should interact with them to try to expand their views, I just know from experience that I’m way too sensitive and not emotionally strong enough from that kind of heat. I’m quickly drained and feel anxious and borderline depressed, so I prefer to abstain for my own mental health.

The comment I linked in my edit is a good example of that. If I read someone calling me a “red fascist” for being pro-lgbt, pro-minority rights, anti-imperialist, and saying that I should be killed, it makes me feel way too uncomfortable to want to interact.

our anti-russian propaganda lied when they said that V.Putin rigged the elections

Yeah that’s possible. When I looked for the source of that image in their side bar to understand what was its meaning, what I found were western articles saying that the communists were protesting a rigged election. Maybe there was another narative but I didn’t look further than that.

I can’t say i’ve never heard this accusation since they promised not to fight

I heard about it in a Gabriel Rockhill lecture, who’s pretty much an expert on french leftist theory. I’m not very knowledgeable about it myself actually, I’ll try to look it up tomorrow if I can find the time.

Edit: I found the Gabriel Rockhill lecture. He actually talks about the european marxists in general supporting world war one, not the french one specifically. I’m updating my other comment to reflect it.

also why is the french instance a luxemburg domain?

jlai.lu is a play on the phrase “j’l’lai lu”, which is a shortening of “je l’ai lu” meaning “I read it”.

Just like Google’s use of a belgian domain to shorten the YouTube url to youtu.be

Their “most leftist” community is also deeply anti-communist, suffice to look at the side bar which has a label “We are not” followed by a photo of Russian workers organized with the local communist party, peacefully protesting against the result of parlementary elections rigged by Putin.

I’ve also seen a moderator of that community, who is also an admin of the instance, promote the horseshoe theory.

They are classic western leftists, anti-communist, anti-revolutionary, pro western imperialism/colonialism. The very same european marxists that were in support of the first world war, and today support the delivery of weapons to Ukraine instead of negitating for peace. I feel ashamed that it is the de-facto official french instance on lemmy, and I avoid it entirely now because the things I’ve read over there made me sick.

Edit: Example of a jlai.lu admin (who likes to call himself a leftist) who equates communists to fascists, and even calls for their elimination by drowning them in a well.

I watched The Substance yesterday. It’s not really scary, but it’s very disturbing.

Francis Parker Yockey, was such a fan of the Nazis that he joined the US army in an attempt to switch sides and join Nazi Germany.

Me when the war with China will start.

Both Marx (and Engels by extension) and Lenin were extraordinarily important in developing a revolutionary worldview. It’s important to preserve their names as they are both an unavoidable source of knowledge. Removing one or the other completely scars both. Just so you see how this is important, there are a lot of Marxists who ignore Engels’ contribution, I’d say simply because Marx is more known than Engels, and thus, more prone to be read. The fact that our science is called “Marxism” undoubtedly has contributed to this. So preserving Marxism-Leninism is important to not diminish the contributions of one or the other.

This paragraph alone would have been enough to answer OP’s question.

I don’t understand why such an innocent question can generate so much hostility, we’re all here to share and to learn.

Yeah it did! That’s not the kind of horror you would expect, but it was genuinely terrifying in its own way hahaha

I loved Eternal Darkness when I was a kid, no other horror game has spooked my as much as this one when

I can’t wait to see all the fallen Russian soldiers come back to the front thanks to Juche Necromancy.

Are the socdems being the moderate wing of fascism again?