The Premier of Alberta went down to Trumps inauguration and was the only premier in all of Canada to not sign an agreement to go against Trumps trade horsefuckery.

So… yeah.

I feel the end of one is misguided because the AI hole monster is still like a thing? i mean i’m not going to lie the picard gollum lives rent free in my brain so when i try to remember what happened to the AI Tenticles from another dimension I think they just closed it but i feel like that still could be an issue, felt like dealing with the symptoms not the root issue? Also yeah the terrible CGI ships don’t help me remember that ending.

The tentacle monster (god I hate that thing) was the thing that the Romulans feared would happen again and almost did. Their stance was destruction of all artifical lifeforms was the only way to ensure that something like that couldn’t be called upon. Picard & Cos stance was that its bullshit and that they can co-exist. The portal was closed but not permanently. There is a chance someone in the future could open that up again. The symptoms were caused by the Romulans in the first place. They attacked synthetic life which drove the synths to fear their own extinction which caused them to open the portal. Showing them compassion and helping them out and proving that they can co-exist was what closed the portal more so than just actually closing it. Provided synthetic life isn’t trying to be exterminated again (which was proven to be a Sisyphean task in the season) then the portal shouldn’t need to be opened. And the tentacle monster itself seemed to be an artificial intelligence that someone tried to kill. It, in fear, exterminated everything else around it and only allowed synthetic lifeforms. The whole season was just basically dealing with racism against minority groups and saying that you need to stand up for everyone, not just yourself.

I would argue there is something very toxic about the borg queen & Jurati’s relationship but we know very little so i may be just imprinting bad experiences with codependcy.

I can see that argument but to be fair, the Borg do work a bit differently. That Borg Queen was losing her mind because she had no drones and no collective. Just her. As we saw from Jack in Season 3 and Picard in… everything that that isolation can hit hard. Especially when you’re a being that seems to have just always been a hive mind. Or at least a hive mind so long that the past doesn’t even matter anymore. Not trying to nullify your argument, just offer a different point of view for consideration.

But season 2 is time travel so its like did all that version of the borg already exist or was it different and then i have to stop thinking cause at this point i think time travel in Star trek is only damaging things, though it’s like pandora’s box, you can’t close it now.

Season 2 is a fucking mess and so hard to sort out due to that temporal fuckery. Luckily, I can’t believe I’m saying this, a Q was involved. So we know that Q straight up rewrote the Prime Timeline. He didn’t send them into an alternate dimension, he went back in the past and changed something which forced Picard & Co to do the same thing. I mean, lets ignore the fact that Q was trying to teach Picard a lesson that Picard actively ignored and made worse, but whatever. My guess is that Q wouldn’t have let that shit go on for too long, just long enough to make his point. He’s done it in the past. But when PIcard decided to shove his face further into everything, it complicated shit to such a massive extent for Q, Picard, the crew, and the fucking audience.

Jurati-Borg was created in the past in the 21st century by combining herself with a Borg Queen from an alternate timeline that they’ve now erased. Star Trek, however, couldn’t give less of a fuck about Paradoxes. By normal Time Travel rules, that Borg Queen would have ceased to exist the second they changed the past. But by Star Trek rules, she lives and merges with Jurati. They then fuck off to whatever random direction and do their own private thing, letting the ‘Prime’ Borg Queen continue on as normal.

Season 2 also hits hard because some of the subject matter follows a pattern of irl things happening in my childhood & i think it was mishandled in that season. like as a kid watching trek i’d clung onto the thought that if i’d been around in trek times things may have played out different cause we were better as a whole but season 2 kinda poorly inserted that but again i may be marred by my own experiences?

Well, I can’t speak to your experience but I’m curious what part of Season 2 made you think that things wouldn’t play out differently for you in that world? Most of it takes place during the 21st century, to be fair. If it’s the shitty father thing… Well, Worf. Unfortunately it seems to be that there are going to be bad parents around endlessly. Humans are complicated and while as a collective we go for better goals (Let us ignore the world at the moment) individually we… get messy.

I wasn’t aiming to argue with you

I asked for examples and you offered examples. You also started it with an argumentative phrase suggesting that critics of a movie cannot be mentioned on this community.

I was just expressing hope that the movie won’t be as bad as they say, since I still have some.

I heard people describe Discovery as essentially murdering the barely warm corpse of Star Trek. The show isn’t nearly as bad as that. All of these loud critics always end up being that. The loudest. Things are rarely as bad as they claim to be. I’m also very hesitant to accept criticisms from people whos livelihoods depend on clickbait.

1. That movie was released today. That straight up does not count. If it hasn’t been released for 24 hours then it can’t have had an impact on all the Trek shows that have been going on for nearly the better part of the past decade. Also, you can quite easily ignore literally everything about that movie and it will never have an impact on the overall lore or standing of Star Trek.

2. It’s about a black ops CIA organization within Starfleet that is morally corrupt and fucked. Section 31 is literally supposed to be contrary to the rest of Starfleet. I wouldn’t be shocked if that movie is too.

3. I haven’t seen it yet and cannot comment on the substance of the movie at all nor do I want to read it considering it says there are spoilers.

Do you have any examples from the past 10 years?

Okay yeah that’s actually on me. I thought I was on my post about Discovery, not this one, which had a different vibe entirely. I totally goofed and I apologize.

That being said… Kelvin Trek I will let slide far more given it’s a movie. Most of them are pretty brash with a lot of visuals, action and explosions. Definitely different but I like them for what they are.

Picard I cannot fucking stand the first two seasons of but they still do try to talk our their problems about as often as they try to bash them out. Season 1 has Picard running about trying to figure out whats going on but at the end he’s still trying to resolve things with words more so than anything else. But the resolution of both Season 1 and Season 2 of Picard end because people decided to talk as opposed to blow each other up.

In other Star Treks, you have a ‘monster of the week’ type deal where the issue that you’re going to solve that week isn’t likely to ever come up again. You can fast track development there and be able to talk people down, especially when you’re an outsider coming in for a short period. When it comes to serialized shows they still do the same thing where they talk people down, it is just over a longer period of time. Having to whittle away at someone. You still see that whittling in old Trek. Sometimes there will be engagements in between talks or they will have to fire to get someone to actually listen. The only difference is that because they’re dealing with a smaller timeframe over all, they have to spend a smaller amount of that on those conflicts. Picard was able to stretch that out over a longer period of time to get to the point of discussion being the answer to their problems.

Season 1 has Riker show up with a massive fleet of shitty CGI copy/paste ships to go against the equally shitty Romulan fleet but they only existed as a stalemate to force conversation.

Season 2 has the borg showing up and everyone freaking the fuck out. But that Borg threat was neutralized by two people getting along, in a manner of speaking. Jurati and the Borg Queen infected each other and created a sort of new “strain” of Borg with its own collective. But the conversation that they have at the end of Season 2 is what seals that conflict, not a fight.

The Kelvin timeline… yeah those are harder to argue. Most of it is just action but like I said, they’re movies so I don’t care that much about them. I mean that for all Trek movies. I’m more of a show dweeb.

Again I am endlessly sorry that I acted like a fucking fool. That is completely on me for not verifying where I was. I was responding to two different comments in the two different threads and just sort of forgot that this was a different post entirely. No ones fault but mine for my own stupidity.

-I am an asshole-

but give me a well written “we are stronger together speech” or some introspective or our differences make us stronger together, which I think most trek has been able to do

Dude. That was literally the resolution of the first season after everything that they had been through. The war was won with a speech.

Season 1: Episode 15 - Will You Take My Hand?

Beginning of Act 3:

Burnham: Is this how Starfleet wins the war? Genocide?!

Cornwell: You want to do this here? Fine. Terms of atrocity are convenient after the fact. The Klingons are on the verge of wiping out the Federation.

Burnham: Yes. But ask yourself: Why did you put this mission in the hands of a Terran and why the secrecy? It’s because you know it’s not who we are.

Cornwell: It very soon will be. We do not have the luxury of principles.

Burnham: That is all we have, Admiral… A year ago, I stood alone. I believed that our survival was more important than our principles. I was wrong. Do we need a mutiny today to prove who we are?

<Shots of the bridge crew looking with Burnham in solidarity before Acting Captain Saru stands up>

Saru: We are Starfleet.

Not enough? Same episode but later when they’re talking to L’rell.

<Burnham and L’rell enter the shrine where the hydrobomb was planted by Georgiou>

L’rell: What is this?

Burnham: This is the place the Federation crushed the Klingons. We planted a bomb in the heart of your homeworld. Qo’noS will be destroyed.

L’rell: You bring me here to gloat?

Burnham: No. To offer you an alternative. Klingons respond to strength. Use the fate of Qo’noS to bend them to your will. Preserve your civilization rather than watch it be destroyed.

L’rell: But… I am no one.

Ash Tyler: You once told Voq that you didn’t want the mantle of leadership. It’s time for you to leave the shadows.

<They then give L’rell the codes for the bomb. The only piece of leverage that Starfleet has, they have now given to the Klingons. Do note that the episode also shows Birds of Prey heading towards Earth. This was the last stand.>

Then there’s the speech that Burnham gives to Starfleet after the war: Link here

So, how does that not fit the criteria? I can find examples from the other seasons too, if you’d prefer.

The only difference between Star Trek: Discovery using speeches and any older Trek is that Star Trek: Discovery is serialized. Meaning that character growth happening instantly in one episode is going to feel awkward, stilted and like bad writing. If you want a speech like that you need to earn it now. You can’t just throw it out willy nilly for major threats like that. Yet, when they deal with smaller threats in the other seasons, they do use speeches like that. First thought that comes to mind was when they head to earth in Season 3 and force a chat that ends a standoff been going on near a century. Or the other chat they had with the Vulcans in Unification III.

There are plenty of those speeches.

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Trek fans, as with most long-standing fandoms, don’t all handle change very gracefully.

Should be shouted at every comic-con by the Star Trek cast as a reminder.

I think it’s completely fine to dissociate with elements of the media that seem to go contrary to that when you want to engage with something that pushes the idea of a positive future.

What elements? I’m begging you. I keep seeing people claim that the newer Treks go contrary to the older Treks but no one has ever been able to give me any examples of stuff that hasn’t already been done in Trek before. Stuff they either didn’t know about, forgot about, or purposefully ignored.

And the constant tearful goodbyes to characters that either don’t die or somehow come back from the dead.

What the fuck are you talking about? I want you to name a single tearful goodbye to someone who comes back from the dead who isn’t Culber. Go ahead. I’ll wait.

The only thing I can think you’re remotely trying to reach for is Burnham’s mother but that hardly counts when she was dead from the first episode and basically written off until Season 2.

No one character’s big sacrifice to save everything has any meaning when five minutes later the universe is ending again.

That’s the gimmick of the show. They’re a rapid first response vessel to deal with imminent threats.

Question: Do character sacrifices not matter to you if its a show about special forces operators or other people who are in constant danger? Or is it just because it is Star Trek?

There isn’t space for any real happiness in the plot

Not remotely true. There are not as many episodes of Discovery as there are other shows, especially per season, so fat has to be cut. There are no more filler episodes and bottle episodes like in TNG and DS9 because that’s how television has evolved. Even Strange New Worlds is still pretty serialized from episode to episode, just less focused on it. But there is a fair amount of space for happiness in the show. You just don’t see it as much because there isn’t as much of Trek. Want examples? The dance party episode in Season 1, Burnham and Ash (until he goes insane anyway), Burnham and Book, Grudge, Tilly like 60% of the time, Stamets and Culber being on the same page partway through Season 3 onwards, Grey, Zora. Like I don’t know what you’re talking about at all. All of these characters grow and become far more happier than they were at the start.

They don’t really do science.

That might be because they’re not a science vessel that’s just floating around and going to do science. Because they were not built for that. However, science is quite important to the show and comes up with constant regularity. So much treknobabble and they’ve even added a shit ton more. So yeah. They do science.

The scientific explanations of things are extra goofy.

The Enterprise got pregnant. Crusher got fucked by a space ghost. Neural Gel Packs. Everyone being a walking carpet sample in the future. Translators being insanely inconsistent and work by unexplained magic. Heisenberg Compensator. I’m sorry dude, but Star Trek explanations are goofy as fuck. There is nothing about Discovery explanations that could be ANY more goofy than this bullshit:

I was running a neural scan and noticed some anomalous protein readings. I thought there must be some mistake, so I ran an at the Journal and amino acid sequence to be sure. But there it was again, the prion mutation rate had spiked. I couldn’t believe it. It meant the anomalous proteins had to have a strong quantum resonance.

The temporal surge we detected was caused by an explosion of a microscopic singularity passing through this solar system. Somehow, the energy emitted by the singularity shifted the chroniton particles in our hull into a high state of temporal polarisation.

It appears to be a highly focused aperture in the space-time continuum. Its energy signature matches that of the temporal fragments we observed earlier. However, it is approximately one point two million times as intense. I believe this may be the origin of the temporal fragmentation.

After we launch our target drone, the Defiant will have to generate a subspace tensor matrix in the twenty five to thirty thousand Cochrane range. Then the drone will send out a magneton pulse which should react with the matrix to create an opening in the space-time continuum.

I am not and things are going poorly but I appreciate it <3

Not to mention that gatekeeping is kinda gross and actively goes against what Star Trek stands for. You wanna label good trek or bad trek, fine. But not trek? Come on.

Slight note but Surak didn’t have godlike powers and it was scientifically grounded.

The issue was that a child was mutated while in utero and born on a planet that is majority made of dilithium, a material that is connected to subspace, that sits inside of a massive cloud of radiation, cosmic gasses and other exotic compounds.

The childs mutation was to his vocal chords or whatever is used in Kelpians to produce sound. It was able to hit frequencies outside of the normal vocal range as well as being louder than normal. The frequency he was screaming was the resonance frequency of dilithium. The planet, made of dilithium that was being activated by the radioactive cloud, started a chain reaction where the frequency was passed through it. The frequency was blasted through subspace and any active dilithium that was connected to subspace (which it is when being actively used as evidenced in other Trek) was hit with the same frequency and detonated.

If you remove any single thing from that chain of events then nothing would have ever happened. Get rid of the child then everything goes as normal. Get rid of the cloud and the planet can’t transmit the scream. Get rid of the dilithium and there wouldn’t be anything to reverberate through.

People keep thinking that he had some magic scream but he didn’t. It’s just that he lived a life where screaming wasn’t common. He saw his mother die, the first scream, but after that all the holograms were taking care of him. He lived a quiet and rather mundane/simple life until the crew of the Discovery appeared. Then they introduce more stresses, as well as the holos breaking down, that push Surak to a point where he starts screaming again. But the loud, sustained scream caused by overwhelming emotional pain just never happened again. It really is as simple as that. Now, if the crew of the Discovery didn’t step in then the Burn would have eventually happened again. The holos would have crashed, he would have been left on a planet alone and life support eventually failing. He’d also likely see his mothers corpse again without any support which would further break him. At that point… yeah he’d probably scream a second time and destroy what little remained of Starfleet.

They even mention in Season 4 he isn’t a threat to anyone because he’s no longer on that planet. My guess is that they’d keep him away from active dilithium, but he’s not likely a threat to anyone anymore. I mean… dude could go terrorist on an insane level if he did so wish though.

Honestly, it’s just a different tone. That’s about it. You should definitely watch it and decide for yourself whether you enjoy it, don’t let other people online decide for you.

I will say that the first season is a little rough around the edges but all Star Trek shows are. It gets better as it goes on. Tone, acting, writing. It all takes a slight tonal shift in the second season. At least there’s only 13ish episodes as opposed to the 24 of older shows.

… Jesus lmao

It’s not just that. It’s people who claim to be Star Trek fans but actively ignore everything Star Trek stands for. Those aren’t people who injected themselves in to complain, they’re just deluded. You see it with every new series. People come out of the woodwork to complain about diversity or inclusion. Easy to forget now, but Voyager and DS9 both got insane amounts of flak for having a female and a black Captain, respectively. These are people who can quote Star Trek until they’re blue in the face but will never let what they’re quoting marinate.

I don’t blame you for skipping through it. Honestly, I usually do too. I’ll stick to a few key episodes that are important or that I like but 95% of Star Trek shows have a weaker first season.

I can also see why you thought that. He is constantly nervous in the first season and first half of the second. It makes sense that you’d come to the conclusion he tries to avoid stress. I just happen to have most of Discovery memorized at this point. Half for love of it / half from years of watching scenes and reading episodes to refute some of the more insane criticisms that I hear people make.

Oh god, Mr. Pretentious Charles Aviator Glasses the Third himself came to your school?

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