cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/23598266
Summary
Key leaders of the “Abandon Harris” movement, which encouraged voters to oppose Kamala Harris due to U.S. support for Israel during the Gaza war, are now expressing unease about Trump’s incoming administration.
Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East.
However, concerns are growing over his Cabinet picks, such as Mike Huckabee and Tulsi Gabbard, which some see as troubling for Muslim communities.
At least we’ll all suffer in solidarity with the Palestinians. Surely that counts for something?
I no longer have solidarity with Palestine. I cared when Biden was in office because there was some hope of influencing the DNC. Now there’s no hope of that and from what I’ve heard the free Palestine movement was part of the reason we lost. Sow, Reap. Solidarity goes both ways and I have too much to worry about just keeping my remaining trans friends alive.
My country’s politics are shitty so now I don’t care about an ongoing genocide? What the fuck did I just read
You can care about two things. More even. Cutting your solidarity with Palestine over this is pathetic, I find it hard to believe you had any in the first place if this is enough to break it.
And let’s not forget that “people who generally agree with me except don’t like supporting genocide” are much less of an issue than “people who think my trans friends are mentally ill cis people, hate all immigrants and actively encourage the genocide.” Tens of millions voted for Trump. They are the problem.
Oh wow, look at all this misrepresentation of what I just said. How intelligent and honest of you.
You said you no longer have solidarity. What did I misinterpret?
I’m not going to put a thought towards helping Palestine now because the people who advocated for it stabbed everyone else in the back. No solidarity for us from them, no solidarity for them from us. I’m not going to ally with someone who actively fucked over everyone in a bid that had no chance of winning them anything. That’s not how political allyship works. They can go fuck themselves. Furthermore, even if I wasn’t this bitter, it wouldn’t matter because there’s literally nothing I can do now.
Edit: you’re probably going to say something stupid like them not being a significant part of the electorate. Doesn’t matter. Elections are made of thousands of decisions, and each one against Harris was one that contributed. The blame is shared.
So you have decided that the people suffering a genocide don’t get your help because of how people who “advocated for it” behaved? Literally punishing people who did nothing wrong. You are not obligated to, of course, but as a moral stance it fucking sucks.
The people who advocated for it that I saw (including myself) tended to say “this terrible policy will lose Harris votes, she should change it.” And they were right. The people who fucked you over were the ones who told you it would all be fine because Trump is worse and apparently because they thought the American electorate were super logical?
Blame the people who’s fault it actually is. The people who misjudged how the policy would affect turnout. And the people who actually support Trump, of whom there are way too fucking many.
There wasn’t much you could do anyway, unfortunately. But it’s the same now. You can advocate. Vocally support BDS. Biden didn’t care anyway and Harris said she would continue to support Israel.
Obviously I agree that you should prioritise, but it seems a little silly to turn your back on something I’m sure you agree with just because the DNC fucked you by ignoring voters and losing the election to Trump.
Imo if you’re resisting Trump you’re all on the same side.
In a democracy, the responsibility for deciding who holds the reigns of power lies with the voters. I’m blaming everyone who voted for Trump and those who discouraged others from voting for Harris.
And you’re punishing the Palestinians for it, for some reason.
Trump is an embarrassment worldwide. And the DNC lost to him twice. If that can’t get you to criticise them I don’t know what will.
Blame the voters to some extent, sure. People are stupid. But it’s the party’s job to win the votes. If that wasn’t true why campaign at all?
That’s definitely not true. People who cared about Palestine enough to not vote for Harris are chump change compared to the numbers she lost by. I mean Trump got all swing states, literally all seven. Getting Michigan would’ve only made her loss seem less terrible. This is the DNC’s, and America’s, fault, not something that happened because some people didn’t want to fund genocide.
An election is decided by millions of small decisions. A thousand different things add up to a massive defeat. Frankly, I think you’re one of the idiots that decided not to vote for her or encouraged others to abstain and now you’re reaching for any shit justification to believe you’re not at fault for what’s going to happen now.
Anyone who could’ve voted for Harris but didn’t is part of the problem and shares in the blame. Anyone who discouraged people from voting for Harris is even more worthy of blame. If any of you are reading this: it’s your fault. The blood of people who killed themselves after the election is already on your hands and there’s more to follow.
I have no sympathy.
I got lit the fuck up yesterday by a bunch of ml trolls for having this stance in !politics.
their argument was, “if I wanted help, I should have helped them. since I refuse to help them now, they won’t help me then”
let that fester for a moment.
these people are mentally ill.
eventually I just trolled them back so I could maximize the outrage and expand my block list.
You got called out for being a Nazi.
It was so bad that the mod, someone I would personally describe as a right wing Democrat, was pointing out that it was fascist speech.
You also weren’t trolling. That is a hilarious after the fact ego preserving rationalization.
oh look, I missed one.
thanks.