• DaseinPickle
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    4 个月前

    So you would prefer a platform to not have the keys to hosted content but allow that to every group member? That’s not much different from sharing your credit card details with your friends.

    That is not how encryption works. Not even remotely. You only share your public key with people you communicate with not your private key. This is not comparable with sharing credit card information. You need to read up on how encryption work.

    And there is no reason Telegram could not host information and still encrypt it. Lots of services do that.

    Look at ProtonMail/ProtonDrive they host mails and files without having any access to it. Look at Keybase, they host all kind of encrypted communications services without having access. Telegram could do it, they choose not to, and that should be a concern.

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      4 个月前

      This is not comparable with sharing credit card information.

      How so? Your family would have the same access to your private chats and nothing would stop them from using it with malicious intent.

      How encryption works is not the issue. The issue is with people expecting it to protect content shared with a group.

      Maybe read about how telegram handles data. It’s encrypted.

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        4 个月前

        What’s your point? The same goes for 1-1 chats. If you don’t trust the people you are communicating with encryption is not going to help you. It just happens that I do trust my friends and family. And it’s not about sharing specific sensitive information, it’s about using technology that prevents mass surveillance. And Telegram is just a bad tool for that. You might as well use Instagram.

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          4 个月前

          The same goes for 1-1 chats

          Exactly.

          it’s about using technology that prevents mass surveillance. And Telegram is just a bad tool for that.

          You did not read, sigh.

          What’s your point?

          Already stated above. People put themselves in danger by using public groups to discuss dangerous stuff. You prefer using an app that doesn’t give you such a possibility and call it “secure”. It doesn’t make sense if you never wanted to discuss dangerous stuff or use public groups in the first place.

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            4 个月前

            I dont know why you keep arguing that encryption should only be used to discuss dangerous stuff. It should be used to discuss private stuff. Like when I sit with my friends and talk, I want it to be private, not recorded in clear text and saved on some server. Not because it’s illegal or sensitive, but because it’s fucking private. And I can’t do that with Telegram, because it’s doesn’t encrypt my information.

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                  4 个月前

                  Could you just read the thing? Private and group chats are called cloud chats and the image above describes them. Below is a graph for secret chats.

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                    4 个月前

                    Yes “cloud chat” is not end to end, but only encrypted to the server. That’s what all services to including Facebook and Instagram. If it’s not end to end it’s useless.