Basically the title. If there was a legion/gene-seed that could be considered the “greediest”/most covetous of material wealth. I see Fulgrim being a reasonable option, but I wanna know if there’s a loyalist equivalent at all.
Angels Resplendent before their change to the Angels Repentant. They hoarded massive amounts of art and artists which brought them close to falling to chaos. They used art as a way to quench the Red Thirst and Black Rage. Each suit of power armor was heavily decorated with elaborate paintings, embellishments, etc.
They’re the main space marine chapter in the Dark Coil series.
Thank you! I was considering making my own successor chapter that was essentially “hoarders” or generally mercantile in a ruthless manner. This is all just a “sketch” of what I’m thinking so far. A chapter made during the 23rd founding; their purpose, they felt, was to reach for the stars and become as powerful as possible through the oaths, trades and tithes they had. To make the most of what they have, gamble on it in constant search for more power to serve the Emperor. I intended them to be especially focused on dealing with Rogue Traders. They will want to seek working with them; on their dangerous, foolish missions; in search of conquest and power in the lost stars that they can add to their own chapter.
The black rage would be an interesting twist to them. Mostly I ask because while I like how the Dark Angels play on tabletop; these don’t particularly strike me as Dark Angel successors. It’s nice to have a lore focused on the reality of it; to which you can work around that.
Also good to see you around, Belly_Beanis
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Also Peter Feheravi writes some pretty dope grimdark 40k horror. The Reverie is a good place to start with, especially if you’re looking at decadent space marine loyalists. Some of his prose is a bit awkward, but otherwise I like him (and I generally hate Black Library).
I was going to say emperors children, but I like weaponised guitars. I feel like loyalist chapters have less to go on.
Indeed. Definitely sounds like it would be Fulgrim. Sadly, I don’t think I can use “heretical geneseed” in creating a successor chapter via rules in 10e from what I read.
Rules change, make whatever chapter exists in your heart.
At least aesthetically, ultramarines have a lot of gold trim and markers of Roman opulence, in a way that I find gawdy (compared to most other loyalist chapters).
I’m of course very far from reading everything, but i don’t think the ordinary material greed is something exhibited by any legion or chapter, except maybe Blood Ravens, but idk how much of this is meme and how much is real. Except that Blood Angels hoard insane amount of art and decorations, but basically all of those they made themselves, not even their servants, so that’s rather worthy of praise than critique, it also have important meaning in their training. Same with Salamanders, their chapter wealth in equipment and tech is enormous, but it’s also all made by their hands. Dark Angels loot vast amount of different things, but again this is more their paranoia than greed. Carcharodons loot fringe worlds from equipment and slaves, but according to their books it’s completely legal just everyone in Imperium forgot them and the edicts they follow, and they barely even function above starvation line so it’s not greed either (they are also remarkably devoid of any material or even intellectual pursuits even for a space marines).
Ashen Claws ran a regular little empire in the Segmentum Pacificus, but they were renegades (from Raven Guard) and they weren’t even particularly nasty just a primitivist warlords ruling few literal dustballs in the butt middle of nowhere.
Now most modern marine chapters are rather territorial and will fiercely fight anything they percieve to be enchroaching, but it’s still not really greed.
Ultimately the closest ones would be probably modern Ultramarines as they are engagning in functional statehood and politics the most of any chapter, but in their case strict adherence to codex and low numbers make most of above ran rather in their name than by them personally.
I see, that makes sense; considering how they were designed by the Emps. I guess to be more specific then; using the model of “oaths” and the feudal power-structure, which Legion would be most likely to use rogue-traders or interact with them?
And ayee thanks for responding.
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/5745381/5151816 Here is where I was explaining more why I was asking the question.
using the model of “oaths” and the feudal power-structure, which Legion would be most likely to use rogue-traders or interact with them?
Regularily probably no one, but that’s more because of a irregular nature of Rogue Traders. Maybe in the situation of just ordinary trade by the chapter and RT domains neighbouring eachother. But most chapters domains are only their recruiting worlds which tends to be bunch of death or feral worlds where the brutality on world scale is the point and anything easing that like traders visiting with useful merchandise and new ideas are extremely unwelcome. Which again leads to Ultramarines as having most conventional and largest domain, plus chapters like Salamanders or Emperor’s Scythes which are not against their subjects bettering their lives.
On opportunity i think most chapters could and will use RT help, depending on chapter overall isolationism and hostility, though RT’s in particular have pretty bad opinion among Astartes for how often they engage in heretical activities and with how aftermatch of those need to be moped up by marines. Ones that comes to mind are fleet based chapters that are usually short on resources.
About your post, i think you should read the Carcharodons books i mentioned, they kinda function like that, but precisely avoid RT’s, they trade with Admech instead. And the imperialists expansionists Marines are extremely unwelcomed by the Inquisition and the Imperial Senate, they have too much power already and it was the point of breaking legions into chapters to not allowed them any more. Do that and Minotaurs would visit you and politely explain by their signature chapter extermination policy, why that is not a good thing to do. Of course they are some exceptions but i can name only 2: Ultramarines have their historical empire of Ultramar but they are not expanding it and it’s all because Gulliman both in the past and now, and Black Templars have entire armies but specifically they have no domain, if they did, they would have lecture by Moloch already.
