daniellamyoung_3h
Unpopular opinion: you only hate chat gpt because it makes it harder to stack rank and discriminate against people.
So what everyone can write well now? great it’s a tool! Just like moving faster because you drive a car.
The good news is you’ll be easily able to hire for that writing job you need. The bad news is you won’t be able to discriminate against candidates who are not as good with the written word.
Also, an obsession with the written word is a tenant of white supremacy [salute emoji]
Ian Rennie
@theangelremiel.bsky.social
Man, this probably hits really hard if you’re fuckin stupid.
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I looked through her recent replies on threads, and while she has deleted the original post, it looks like she is doubling down on this take:
I guess I’ll say this in a different way, the language around that SOME people are using around chat GPT is the same panic language society always uses with new “advancements” or tools. We saw it when GPS became a thing, we see it now with people freaking out about cursive going away, and oh my, they definitely saw it with calculators. At its core it’s a “geez how are we gonna tell people apart anymore, if we can’t test these skills.” That’s not the only argument about it…
there are plenty of things to talk about about AI But this language definitely exists in the conversation. I recognize it easily, because it’s very, very Culty. It’s this very apocalyptic nature of discussion around it instead of the acknowledgment that human beings will keep building tools that will change everything.
every time a new tool makes certain skills that we test for to rank folks obsolete human beings freak out
To which all this I say… wow, she really has decided to just ignore all the discourse about generative AI*, huh? Like sure you can use this analogy but it breaks down pretty quickly, especially when you spend like 5 minutes doing any research on this stuff.
*Would love to start using a new term here because AI oversells the whole concept. I was thinking of tacking something onto procedural generation? Mass PG? LLMPG/LPG? Added benefit of evoking petroleum gas.
I’ve been playing with “mass averaging synthesis machines”, variations on “automated plagiarism”, “content theftwashing systems”
still undecided tho
Considering the amount I have to say the term whenever ranting or debating, something that can be shortened is welcomed. I like the idea of calling “automated plagiarism,” since it can be shortened to “autoplag” which is also ugly sounding.
If everyone can write well now then explain this post.
It’s just a tool, like cars! My definition of tools is things that are being forced on us even though they’re terrible for the environment and make everyone’s life worse!
It’s a tool, just like cars, in that both are terrible for the environment and risk the survival of the human species as well as countless ecosystems.
“tenant of white supremacy”
White Supremacy is the worst landlord.
YOU JUST OUTED YOURSELF, PUNK! That was a trap and you FELL for it!
wut
Well spotted I’d kinda checked out by that point to be honest
ChatGPT is great because you can use it to show a potential employer how good your writing is for that writing job they’ll totally pay you to use ChatGPT to do.
It is and always has been racism that has stopped bad writers from getting writing jobs.
/s
Imagining judging someone for a job about communicating with people on their ability to communicate with people effectively.
Except that the ability to communicate is a very real skill that’s important for many jobs, and ChatGPT in this case is the equivalent to an advanced version of spelling+grammar check combined with a (sometimes) expert system.
So yeah, if there’s somebody who can actually write a good introduction letter and answer questions on an interview, verses somebody who just manages to get ChatGPT to generate a cover and answer questions quickly: which one is more likely going to be able to communicate well:
- with co-workers
- in a crisis,
- without potentially providing sensitive data to a third-party tool
- While providing reliable answers based on fact without “hallucinating”
Don’t get me wrong, it can even the field for some people in some positions. I know somebody who uses it to generate templates for various questions/situations and then puts in the appropriate details, resulting in a well-formatted communication. It’s quite useful for people who have professional knowledge of a situation but might have lesser writing ability due to being ESL, etc. However, that is always in a situation where there’s time to sanitize the inputs and validate the output, often choosing from and reworking the prompt to get the desired result.
In many cases it’s not going to be available past the application/overview process due to privacy concerns and it’s still a crap-shoot on providing accurate information. We’ve already seen cases of lawyers and other professionals also relying on it for professional info that turns out to be completely fabricated.
LLMs are distinctly different from expert systems.
Expert systems are designed to be perfectly correct in specific domains, but not to communicate.
LLMs are designed to generate confident statements with no regard for correctness.
Yeah. I should have said “illusions of” an expert system or something similar. An LLM can for example produce decent working code to meet a given request, but it can also spit out garbage that doesn’t work or has major vulnerabilities. It’s a crap shoot
Don’t make me tap the sign
This is not debate club
We don’t correct people when they are wrong. We do other things.
alert alert we’ve got of one of them on the doorstep
I don’t understand what part of their statement you read as pro-LLM
arguing-from-existence of expert systems (which were the fantasy in the previous wave)
People who know about AI?
you probably don’t know this, but this post is so much funnier than you probably meant it
and it (probably) still won’t save you
brb, time to go shout ‘fucking nazis tenants’ at my local library.
Tenant was that Christopher Nolan movie with the bad audio. Quality comparison.
No that was Tenet, you’re thinking of a tent.
No, a tent is a shelter made out of fabric, you’re thinking of Tencent
No, tencent is a Chinese tech company, you’re thinking of tenement.
No, that’s a housing subdivided for rent. Your thinking of Tennant’s.
Surely that’s an AI generated pfp
My immediate thought as well. Reads like rage bait too.
apparently she is a real known person from military twitter
actually i feel a bit bad about it now https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-27/daniella-cult-the-family-joined-the-army-toxic-control/101895164
My understanding is that through her experience, she has developed a career around analysing cults (as well as other things) which is great! We need that in the world.
However she has unfortunately missed the areas where her expertise would be really insightful (SV itself basically) and taken this weird tack. Dunning Kruger be like that sometimes
my heuristic: I can understand a shitty past giving crescent to bad reactions, but the moment you start choosing bad things with current-era things I rapidly start losing grace and patience
(and yeah I know there’s a continuum of stuff between A and B, but anyone showing up in a fucking news article of this shape is generally well past accident)
New hire firefighter [leaning against a dumpster]: yeah I used the AI that puts out fires to get this job. They would have been able to discriminate against me if I hadn’t done that. Glad that in this crazy fucked up trash fire of a world, there’s still something out there helping to level the playing field.
Veteran firefighter: that trash behind you is on literally on fire
Okay, show me a system that was only trained on data given with explicit permission and hopefully compensation and I’ll happily be fine with it.
But that isn’t what these capitalists, tech obsessives etc they have done. They take take take and give nothing back.
They do not understand nor care about consent, that’s the crux of the issue.
I couldn’t care less if all the training data was consensual.
But even if it there was an LLM that used only ethical sources it would still need massive amounts of energy for training and using so until we’re 100% renewable and the whole world gets as much of that energy as they need …
This is fair. I was more responding to the person in the picture’s point that we care more that other people who don’t have the skills or perhaps ability to write can now when no, that’s not really the problem.
But you do raise a good point.
holy hell that inner is all kinds of past-even-wrong
is there some kind of idiocy gdq rankweekend event that I missed the announcement for?
Serious question: what does “stack rank” mean?
See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitality_curve
It’s become really popular in large tech companies and it’s fucking stupid.
I read that as “vitality cure” and didn’t think twice about it, seemed the appropriate level of evil.
Thank you. I’ve never even heard of the term before, and didn’t know if it was slang, a typo, or what. It wouldn’t have occurred to me to search for it.
how to let people know you’re not a talented writer but think you should be without telling people you’re not a talented writer but you think you should be
