They’re paying people to collect signatures… not for the signatures themselves. This is specifically allowed in most (all?) states for organizations to be able to pay people a wage to spend the time collecting signatures for ballot initiatives. Most states require the person collecting signatures to be registered with the state if they are being paid however. So unless they’re doing that and sponsoring and registering every person collecting these signatures with the State, they are likely still violating the law there. Volunteer unpaid circulators don’t have to be registered, but if you’re getting paid for it, you’re probably required to be registered to an organization that’s responsible for what you do.
Note: This is usually done via a standard hourly wage, or a price per sheet of good signatures. Many sigs (I’ve seen 1/3 to 1/2) are thrown out because the requirements are extremely strict for processing. A good signature or sheet of signatures can be completely invalidated by an error made by the person collecting it, or because it’s on a page with the wrong county listed (even though every signature line also requires an address to verify). Simple errors unrelated to signatures get entire pages thrown out.
Source: Was trained and registered as a paid petition circulator with the State of Arizona earlier this year.
Pursuant to Arizona Law (A.R.S. § 19-118; A.R.S. § 16-321; A.R.S. § 19-205.01), a circulator must register with the Secretary of State’s Office if the circulator:
is not a resident of this state and will circulate candidate petitions, recall petitions, or statewide initiative or referendum petitions,
is paid to circulate recall petitions, statewide initiative or referendum petitions (whether or not the circulator is a resident of this state).
Thinking about it more, and looking more into what’s actually being done however… this doesn’t appear to an official petition of any kind as far as I can see. It’s basically a petition.org page, and just as useless. And they’re paying people for it. Free money to sign people up for unlimited bullshit emails and junk mail from the MAGA team forever.
Also, it seems this tweet was deleted? I can’t find it on Elon’s page anymore, unless it’s just their bullshit algorithm putting other shit on top now instead of being obviously chronological.
Same in Hungary, where anti-hate speech laws are only being enforced seldom, and the last such incident was due to an opposition politician saying “heterosexual white christian man” on TV, while the now doxxed editors of kuruc info can still deny the holocaust on their foreign hosted webshite, that is also being partly funded by a Florida Republican (of course).
I heard a really depressing podcast the other day about all the cooperation between Republicans and Orban. They’re well on their way to destroying democracy here as well.
How is this NOT election interference ?
They’re paying people to collect signatures… not for the signatures themselves. This is specifically allowed in most (all?) states for organizations to be able to pay people a wage to spend the time collecting signatures for ballot initiatives. Most states require the person collecting signatures to be registered with the state if they are being paid however. So unless they’re doing that and sponsoring and registering every person collecting these signatures with the State, they are likely still violating the law there. Volunteer unpaid circulators don’t have to be registered, but if you’re getting paid for it, you’re probably required to be registered to an organization that’s responsible for what you do.
Note: This is usually done via a standard hourly wage, or a price per sheet of good signatures. Many sigs (I’ve seen 1/3 to 1/2) are thrown out because the requirements are extremely strict for processing. A good signature or sheet of signatures can be completely invalidated by an error made by the person collecting it, or because it’s on a page with the wrong county listed (even though every signature line also requires an address to verify). Simple errors unrelated to signatures get entire pages thrown out.
Source: Was trained and registered as a paid petition circulator with the State of Arizona earlier this year.
Wow , really appreciate this answer.
The whole thing to me is unsettling because of how gamified and crowd sourced it is. As if it’s some sort of gofundme page
Oh it definitely skirts the line.
https://apps.azsos.gov/apps/election/circulatorportal/
Thinking about it more, and looking more into what’s actually being done however… this doesn’t appear to an official petition of any kind as far as I can see. It’s basically a petition.org page, and just as useless. And they’re paying people for it. Free money to sign people up for unlimited bullshit emails and junk mail from the MAGA team forever.
Also, it seems this tweet was deleted? I can’t find it on Elon’s page anymore, unless it’s just their bullshit algorithm putting other shit on top now instead of being obviously chronological.
Oh it is. It’s just that Trump is doing SO much illegal shit, he’s overloading our system of law to the point where it can’t keep up anymore.
He won’t live long enough for our system to prosecute him for everything- so he’s going for broke.
Same in Hungary, where anti-hate speech laws are only being enforced seldom, and the last such incident was due to an opposition politician saying “heterosexual white christian man” on TV, while the now doxxed editors of kuruc info can still deny the holocaust on their foreign hosted webshite, that is also being partly funded by a Florida Republican (of course).
I heard a really depressing podcast the other day about all the cooperation between Republicans and Orban. They’re well on their way to destroying democracy here as well.
Southern states have had their judiciary replaced with incompetents and yes-men. Regulatory agencies in many states are entirely broken.
They’ll fix it retroactively once they get to power
Weeeeellllllllll does your bank account have seemingly 10000 lifetimes worth of money? That’ll tell you if it’s legal or not for you to do it.
Rules? Where we’re going we don’t need rules.