I was raised Mormon, and I am an RM. I’m a Ricks College–now BYU-I–alumn. I had my records removed almost 20 years ago, was a born-again, evangelical atheist for a while, and I’ve been an active and open Satanist for the last 10.
Your online presence and words scream “active Mormon”, not Satanist, or socialist. The things you promote–racism, misogyny, far-right ideology (such as, for instance, all the Ricks College garbage)–are in-line with both historical Mormonism as well as contemporary practices.
No, you don’t get to gaslight me by saying you believe one thing while acting in the opposite manner. Or, more correctly, you can try, but it’s transparent to everyone.
You started are the sole moderator and poster of both a red-pill community, and a “transracial” community which is pretty clearly racist. You push candidates that are known to support the election odds of far-right candidates, and you push deeply socially regressive education institutions. These all add up to a person that is misogynistic, racist, and believes in far-right ideology. Or, in simpler terms, a typical Mormon.
You know everyone can see what you’re posting, right? If you post, for instance, 20 things that are positive for Stein, 10 things critical of Harris, and 1 thing critical of Trump, what’s the trend? That’s a pretty strong pro-Trump trend, since Stein’s own campaign has said that they’re about blocking Harris, and they know they can’t win.
And this? What you’re doing right here? Sea lioning.
Actually I get to say what I believe in, and I get to believe anything I want.
So no, no you don’t have any say in that. You can express your opinions, you are totally free to do that. But you don’t get to tell me what I can or can not believe in. And you don’t get to tell me what I do or don’t believe in. Welcome to the USA.
None of my communities are racist, and none of them allow racist comments or content.
And attacking someone’s religion, regardless of what it is, is wrong too. The fact that you are attacking me based on my religion, regardless of what it is, shows what kind of person you are.
And you don’t get to tell me what I do or don’t believe in.
I can tell you, and everyone else, that you’re lying, because it’s clear that you are. What you say, and what you do, is consistent with people that are religious conservatives, not with people that are actually leftists, or Satanists. I can say that what you say you believe is not what you actually believe, because you haven’t yet acted in a way that’s consistent with your claims.
None of my communities are racist
Uh huh. And I’m sure that your posting about transracialism and apparent support of it has nothing to do with white people raised in white families trying to erase ethnic and cultural identities by claiming them as their own, right? And I’m sure that you don’t mean it as a very thinly veiled attempt to refute the existence of transgender and gender-queer people either, right?
Oh, and hey, you entirely failed to address your red-pill community.
And attacking someone’s religion, regardless of what it is, is wrong too.
Yeah, no. You choose whether or not you adhere to a religion. If you don’t want to be Mormon, you can send a notarized letter to the records department in SLC and have your name removed from their records. Or you can choose to publicly do things that will get you excommunicated, like advocating for protecting children from sexual predators (like, say Sam Young did). If you don’t want to be tarred with that brush, then stop being Mormon.
The entire Mormon religion is a rotten religion, and it was started by a con man. Anyone that knows this, or has the ability to learn it, and still follows the con deserves condemnation. The information is out there for anyone that truly has an open mind, which is why Mormon leaders keep telling members not to read any sources that aren’t approved by the Mormon church. How’s that quote from Dalin Oaks go? Something about how things that are true, but not faith-affirming, aren’t useful?
Can you explain why Mormonism is bad, then? You should be willing to drag the religion through the mud, right? Since the only reason to leave Mormonism is because you realize how horrible it is.
I’m happy to explain, although it’s a like drinking from a high-pressure firehose. So much of this isn’t going to make sense to anyone that wasn’t raised Mormon. There’s so much cultural garbage going on in Mormonism that people outside of it simply don’t have a frame of reference for to make sense of it. If you really want to get an idea, I’d suggest the Mormon Stories podcast, by Dr. John Dehlin, which is currently clocking in at 1951 (!!!) episodes, averaging a little over two hours each.
I’m not going to deal with their Truth (capitalization intentional) claims in depth; those have already been adequately covered by Jeremy Runnels, among many, many others. It’s very, very clear, once you start digging, that all of the Mormon church cult Truth claims are complete hogwash, and rely on feelings rather than any factual basis at all.
Okay, but, lots of religions make bullshit claims, right? That, by itself, shouldn’t necessarily make a religion awful, right?
Fair enough. So lets move on to the meat and potatoes of what really makes the Mormon church cult bad; they exert undue authoritarian control over their members. I’m going to use Steven Hassan’s BITE model here, and go through each salient point. Again, this is a lot, so buckle up, buttercup. Keep in mind that a lot of this isn’t doctrine, but it is dogmatic practice, and is supported and encouraged by leadership at the highest levels.
Preface all of this with the understanding that the Mormon church cult believes that attending Mormon temples is a requirement for salvation.
This is going to take me a few hours to get through, so I’m going to come back to it when I have time.
I’ve never said it was bad. And I have no desire to talk about religion in a political news community. If you wanna take the convo to one of my BYU communities, then cool. Here, no.
“Socialist Mormon Satanist”, aka UniversalMonk.
No, you’re not. You’re not any of the above.
I was raised Mormon, and I am an RM. I’m a Ricks College–now BYU-I–alumn. I had my records removed almost 20 years ago, was a born-again, evangelical atheist for a while, and I’ve been an active and open Satanist for the last 10.
Your online presence and words scream “active Mormon”, not Satanist, or socialist. The things you promote–racism, misogyny, far-right ideology (such as, for instance, all the Ricks College garbage)–are in-line with both historical Mormonism as well as contemporary practices.
How many display name’s has monk gone through so far? Like four?
I think like, 6. I’ll change it again when I decide to. Thank you! :)
Actually you don’t get to tell me what I believe in or what I don’t, friend. I get to choose that, not you.
When have I ever promoted racism, misogyny, are any far-right ideology?! What are you even going on about?!
I’ve actually posted articles that are critical of Trump, Stein, and Harris, as well as articles praising each of them.
So, if you’re assuming I agree with every viewpoint in the articles I post, how does that even work when I share so many conflicting perspectives?!
No, you don’t get to gaslight me by saying you believe one thing while acting in the opposite manner. Or, more correctly, you can try, but it’s transparent to everyone.
You started are the sole moderator and poster of both a red-pill community, and a “transracial” community which is pretty clearly racist. You push candidates that are known to support the election odds of far-right candidates, and you push deeply socially regressive education institutions. These all add up to a person that is misogynistic, racist, and believes in far-right ideology. Or, in simpler terms, a typical Mormon.
You know everyone can see what you’re posting, right? If you post, for instance, 20 things that are positive for Stein, 10 things critical of Harris, and 1 thing critical of Trump, what’s the trend? That’s a pretty strong pro-Trump trend, since Stein’s own campaign has said that they’re about blocking Harris, and they know they can’t win.
And this? What you’re doing right here? Sea lioning.
Actually I get to say what I believe in, and I get to believe anything I want.
So no, no you don’t have any say in that. You can express your opinions, you are totally free to do that. But you don’t get to tell me what I can or can not believe in. And you don’t get to tell me what I do or don’t believe in. Welcome to the USA.
None of my communities are racist, and none of them allow racist comments or content.
And attacking someone’s religion, regardless of what it is, is wrong too. The fact that you are attacking me based on my religion, regardless of what it is, shows what kind of person you are.
Not only can everyone see what I post, let’s go ahead and make it easy for them. Here’s the direct link to my post history: https://lemmy.world/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=New&view=Posts
Thanks! :)
I can tell you, and everyone else, that you’re lying, because it’s clear that you are. What you say, and what you do, is consistent with people that are religious conservatives, not with people that are actually leftists, or Satanists. I can say that what you say you believe is not what you actually believe, because you haven’t yet acted in a way that’s consistent with your claims.
Uh huh. And I’m sure that your posting about transracialism and apparent support of it has nothing to do with white people raised in white families trying to erase ethnic and cultural identities by claiming them as their own, right? And I’m sure that you don’t mean it as a very thinly veiled attempt to refute the existence of transgender and gender-queer people either, right?
Oh, and hey, you entirely failed to address your red-pill community.
Yeah, no. You choose whether or not you adhere to a religion. If you don’t want to be Mormon, you can send a notarized letter to the records department in SLC and have your name removed from their records. Or you can choose to publicly do things that will get you excommunicated, like advocating for protecting children from sexual predators (like, say Sam Young did). If you don’t want to be tarred with that brush, then stop being Mormon.
The entire Mormon religion is a rotten religion, and it was started by a con man. Anyone that knows this, or has the ability to learn it, and still follows the con deserves condemnation. The information is out there for anyone that truly has an open mind, which is why Mormon leaders keep telling members not to read any sources that aren’t approved by the Mormon church. How’s that quote from Dalin Oaks go? Something about how things that are true, but not faith-affirming, aren’t useful?
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Meh, feel free to belive what you want, but you are totally wrong on every point. Thank you! :)
Can you explain why Mormonism is bad, then? You should be willing to drag the religion through the mud, right? Since the only reason to leave Mormonism is because you realize how horrible it is.
I’m happy to explain, although it’s a like drinking from a high-pressure firehose. So much of this isn’t going to make sense to anyone that wasn’t raised Mormon. There’s so much cultural garbage going on in Mormonism that people outside of it simply don’t have a frame of reference for to make sense of it. If you really want to get an idea, I’d suggest the Mormon Stories podcast, by Dr. John Dehlin, which is currently clocking in at 1951 (!!!) episodes, averaging a little over two hours each.
I’m not going to deal with their Truth (capitalization intentional) claims in depth; those have already been adequately covered by Jeremy Runnels, among many, many others. It’s very, very clear, once you start digging, that all of the Mormon
churchcult Truth claims are complete hogwash, and rely on feelings rather than any factual basis at all.Okay, but, lots of religions make bullshit claims, right? That, by itself, shouldn’t necessarily make a religion awful, right?
Fair enough. So lets move on to the meat and potatoes of what really makes the Mormon
churchcult bad; they exert undue authoritarian control over their members. I’m going to use Steven Hassan’s BITE model here, and go through each salient point. Again, this is a lot, so buckle up, buttercup. Keep in mind that a lot of this isn’t doctrine, but it is dogmatic practice, and is supported and encouraged by leadership at the highest levels.Preface all of this with the understanding that the Mormon
churchcult believes that attending Mormon temples is a requirement for salvation.This is going to take me a few hours to get through, so I’m going to come back to it when I have time.
I’ve never said it was bad. And I have no desire to talk about religion in a political news community. If you wanna take the convo to one of my BYU communities, then cool. Here, no.
Thank you!
That is a damning non-answer.