• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    A Socialist revolution is “hard mode” whether the Democrats or Republicans are in charge, I don’t know where you’re getting the idea that the establishment parties would be any friendlier or more hostile to a literal revolution.

    I also don’t know why you’re saying I am suggesting voting for Trump either, not once have I encouraged it.

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      2 months ago

      Only one of two people will win. You’re asking this person if they considered voting against the less awful choice.

      I’m sure we’re both pissed off about how protesters are treated right now. Only one of two parties is saying we need National Guard, deport the protesters, that presidents can execute whomever as an Official Act, that the military should be used against the opposition over speech.

      Yeah, so go with your “nach Trump kommen Wir” plan, it will be equally hard to achieve socialism either way, NBD. Not sure why it isn’t, “equally hard either way so let’s pick the ones at least pretending women and LGBT people should have human rights,” but you do you.

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        2 months ago

        I am asking people to listen to directly and indirectly impacted people, rather than thinking they are more “enlightened” than them for voting for the genocidal establishment. Additionally, both parties have been cracking down on pro-Palestinian protestors, Walz even sent in the National Guard after BLM protestors, that’s not a real point.

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            2 months ago

            Thats how this is supposed to work. A collective of different perspectives all place votes for their and their families/communities best interest.

            Democrats are really struggling to accept that half the country isnt better off under their administrations.

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              2 months ago

              Are Dems improving things, or improving them fast enough? No. But I think the reality of today is that the only ones not better off under a Dem administration are wealthy people and bigots who want society to be a white supremacist hierarchy. I’m not saying people are well off, I am saying the alternative is worse, and by a lot.

              If it were not possible to win an election as a MAGA the political parties would have to move further left. Instead we have Dems looking back on elections and deciding to move further right in attempt to pick up voters who actually cast a ballot.

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                2 months ago

                If it were not possible to win an election as a MAGA the political parties would have to move further left.

                This will never happen, because the source of MAGA is Capitalist decay, as I explained in another comment already.

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                  2 months ago

                  You did write that. But you cannot tell the difference between New York arresting protestors who deliberately enter a fenced off area as civil disobedience and the federal government doing black vans and urging violence. So I don’t know if I trust your perspective or opinions on much of anything.

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              2 months ago

              99% of the population is worse off under their competition, so there’s still not really much of a choice.

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            2 months ago

            The Uncommitted movement didn’t say to vote for Harris. And yes, Walz sending in the National Guard against BLM protestors is a bad thing.

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              2 months ago

              You can read the article if you like. Or continue to participate in a distorted reality.

              I disagree that arsonists were actually with the protesters. You have a really delusional perspective that allows you to pretend sending in the guard at all is the same as black vans. Or this. Or this.

              Alright, link me to some of the worst of the Dem federal response to protests about Gaza. I’m ready to be wrong.

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                  2 months ago

                  Arrests are the same as black vans and the president urging for brutalization of protestors, I see.

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                    2 months ago

                    Of course they aren’t 100% the same, why lose face when you can let your opponent do it for you? There’s good reason the Democrats let Republicans do whatever they want unpunished, they both serve their corporate donors above all else.