• MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml
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    some hundreds of thousands of you may will die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make” is exactly what vote blue no matter who people are saying to arab americans who are uncomitted voters

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    If you þink ð solution to democratic softness on Israeli atrocities is to let Trump back into power after he handed ðem East Jerusalem, West Bank, and Golan Heights on a silver platter, you are eiðer a covert zionist agent or an unwitting zionist agent.

    Eiðer way, my Amrikani-Falasteeni derriere will consider you as much of an ally as truck flags McGee barely holding back from calling me a towel head and sand n****r mostly because we some ð fuck how have been blessed to avoid peak emboldenment, despite your best efforts trying to “make ð establishment learn ðeir lesson.”

    You can tell ðese kids are white because ðey actually believe pulling a karen on ð two party system will get ðem a sit down meeting with democracy’s manager for a socialism coupon or some shit.

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    Selfish and dumb people may as well just be (involuntary) Russian puppets.

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    It’s almost like the current and immediate conflict between Israel and Palestinians isn’t the singular thing that the world should have serious concern about, and that realistic solutions to longstanding international diplomacy issues are - wait for it - hard.

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      Ongoing genocide is at the top of my “what I’m concerned about” list. If it isn’t for you, maybe you should reflect on that a little

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      But hard things are hard and involve complexity and nuance! I’d much rather call people racist, spout a simplistic solution and call it a day.

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    Sure, more Palestinians will die

    Sure, Ukrainians will die

    Sure, US minorities will die

    Sure, the entire world will suffer from a fascist demagogue at the head of the most powerful country in the world

    But have you considered that, for a few brief moments of time, we created a lot of value for the shareholders we got to feel smug over the SHITLIBS who wanted to prevent fascism?

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      It’s honestly such a shockingly privileged position it almost defies belief that anyone could actually be so dense unless they are operating in bad faith. Yes, there are several serious problems in the world, and absolutely none of them are solved by helping the US slip into fascism. Leftists in particular are supposed to hate fascists, so I can’t imagine how anyone with leftist sympathies could possibly want to see what the world looks like with an unrestrained Trunp at the helm. Again, unless they are so privileged they don’t think the consequences would affect them personally, in which case I would call any other profession of external empathy which they might bleet ad nauseum, as questionably sincere.

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        They don’t think the consequences will touch them. They’re the leftist equivalent of “shitlibs”

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      Ahh, but you see, you disagreed with Stalin that one time, and therefore you were the fascist all along

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        As I believe in the abolition of capitalism and the creation of a popular base of support for such a measure, instead of a narrow oligarchy oppressing the proletariat and enforcing its will on society, I am a shitlib. It’s a terrible burden to bear. 😔

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          Correct, my harm reduction framework is much more violent than your harm reduction framework, and is therefore more interesting, which makes you wrong.

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        And hardly takes that. All you have to do is have a subtle difference of opinion, and BAM! You’re a fascist.

        My favorite, however, is that when you point out that their arguments are 100% logical fallacies, you get banned from multiple communities at once.

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          Did you know if you support Harris, you’re also a transphobe?

          Just admit it!

          Something something chronically online lmfao touch grass bougie.

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      But what else am I gonna do with my feelings of impotent rage? Try to actually change something?

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    I got into this argument the other day. People’s arrogance and lack of common sense was disappointing.

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      Yeah tell ne qbout it thinking not voting for either one somehow helps trump 😂 same people that failed basic arithmetic clearly. What they really msan to say is that people voting third party are not helping harris…and yeah thats the point and entirely not the same thing.

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        Gotta love people trying to use maþ to defend someþing ð actual maþ clearly says is ð complete fucking opposite of helpful.

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        49k votes for Stein in Pennsylvania, Trump won by 47k

        32k votes for Stein in Wisconsin, Trump won by 22k

        51k votes for Stein in Michigan, Trump won by 10k.

        Third party voters are useful idiots.

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              Sorry i shouldn’t have made it so advanced. Ill try to come up with a simpler example in the future!

              But maybe sit out of the political bitch fest if you can’t handle how basic arithmetic works eh?

              If harris or the dnc want votes, then promote and deliver on policies that people want. If you cant well thats a them problem.

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                Copy pasting the same smug wall of text every time is not the political own you think it is. In fact, it makes people not want to read it.

                Maybe you should get off of the internet and enjoy the nature outside. It’s good for people, y’know?

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                  Try taking your own advice. A bit of time away from a screen should help with these feeling that everyone who fails to vote for Harris is a Trump suppprter.

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                  shrug maybe people should get a clue on what third party votes mean and stop posting the same tired, wrong, and pointless ‘theyre helping Y’ nonsense and ill stop treating them all like children.

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            Did you even read this article? This is what Liz Cheney actually said:

            “Reactionaries make statements. Conscientious and thoughtful people take action because they know moral statements will never change the world.”

            If you’re interpreting that statement as indicating support for Apartheid, then you clearly have problems with reading comprehension.

            In any case, there’s a big difference between Liz Cheney’s bad opinion in 1987, and the guy who founded the “Knights of the Ku Klux Klan” in Louisiana. There’s quite a gap in scale there.

            Your “stone” seems to be more of a bouncy ball.

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            Is this a bot account or something? Every post has obvious typing mistakes and they all say utter bullshit. When shortly scrolling through their comments I didn’t see a single upvote.

            Every comment is on the usa election. Account created 2 weeka ago.

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              and yes, everyone comment is on the election because thats all I particularly care about atm ;) please support rank choice in your state so this nonsense can stop. I’m tired of watching my country kill people for no good fucking reason. I’m tired of watching people shit on 3rd party voters for having a moral conscience that is clearly superior to the majority of liberals.

              I am sorry every argument against 3rd party voters is so easily torn apart by simple addition demonstrating that its harmless. if more people had a spine maybe harris wouldn’t be supporting a genocide. but then again maybe she would. either way hard pass.

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        Oh the irony here.

        If there are only two viable options, not helping one is the same as helping the other.

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            If there’s a toddler about to walk into traffic and you choose to keep swiping on tinder or whatever instead of helping the kid, that kid’s death is still on you.

            Samw thing with not stopping trump.

            It’s really not complicated.

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                Hey kiddo, instead of deflecting to Palestine, how about you explain how either this voting instance is different than the analogy I’ve given or admit that you’d be fine letting the kid die because of whatever.

                If you’re going to be incorrectly smug about voting third party, try answering a reasonable question about it.

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                What’s trumps excuse? What’s your excuse? What’s God’s excuse?

                I’m tired of all this. I take full responsibility. If I had done more this tragedy could have been averted. I’m sorry to those who have suffered because of my inadequacy. Render what ever judgment you will on me and in the future, if there is one for scum like me, I will try to do better.

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                  What’s trumps excuse?

                  who cares? he never had a chance at my vote to begin with for a large number of reasons. we can just add it to the pile of shitty things trump is okay doing. but we already knew he was willing to commit genocide. this is a surprise to no one who as paid attention.

                  What’s God’s excuse?

                  dunno if i could find him i’d ask him.

                  What’s your excuse?

                  for what? not supporting harris? I’ve been very clear on this: genocide.

                  I’m tired of all this.

                  so am I friend, so am I. I’m not the one running around trying to convince people to vote for a particular candidate by shaming others using intellectually dishonest claims of ‘helping trump’, ‘both parties were going genocide, pick the lesser evil’, etc.

                  I want people to get off their ass and vote. I didnt vote for harris or trump, I voted down ballot. I’m also not in a swing state or a state with shitty womens rights. harris is going to win my state regardless. That being said the liberals running around spouting nonsense about helping trump when its clearly and demonstrably not true is going to lead to people not voting at all.

                  And that my friend is why I call this shit out. because they might have voted down ticket regardless which can only help the situation. and quite frankly im happy to treat people with the same level of vitriol that they treat others. Now I will continue campaigning against genocide and getting ranked choice done, please volunteer so people can stop being asses to each other.

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      The amount of people who rationalize arming a genocide is “ok” if a black lady does it, is more than alarming to me.

      Literally no one is saying this.

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          She is also the acting VP and can’t really dissociate herself from the current position. She has also talked much more about ending the conflict, about Israel crossing lines and has signalled as hard as ahe can that things would be different, e.g., snubbing Bibi and not meeting him when he came to America (which drove conservatives apoplectic.)

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            The reality is she is going to continue arming Israel until Israel illegally settles all of Gaza. You cannot tell me that her 60 minutes response inspired any amount of confidence on a ceasefire. She totally ignored all of the reports about US arms being used on refugee camps and jumped straight to a single attack against a retaliatory strike towards Israel and reiterated her belief that the US is inextricably linked to Israel. She reiterated the nonsense that Israel has a right to defend itself against the peoples they have oppressed, subjugated, and genocided.

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              And trump has encouraged Israel to accelerate their efforts.

              No one rational is accepting or attracted to harris’stance on Israel. We’re attracted to the idea that it will be worse under trump, with a massive dose of acceleration, bald faced racism including the likely mass deportation of Muslim refugees, and global chaos due to his being 1. Incompetent and insecure 2. A likely unwitting agent of global enemies like Putin.

              After all Gaza concepts are discussed and balanced, trump will also materially endanger minority and at risk groups in the US due to blatant policy, stochastic terrorism emitted from the oval office itself, and the appointment of corrupt conservative federal judges that will hold back progressive progress for decades to come. Again, this is important, but not more important than people dying in Gaza. But an American voter should certainly care about America TOO.

              For these reasons a vote for Harris is effective but unsavory harm reduction, as at least during a Harris presidency advocacy and progress is even remotely possible, or even legal. Trump has made clear his interest in punishing those who are not aligned with his world, and that’s nearly everyone on the planet.

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              The reality is she is going to continue arming Israel until Israel illegally settles all of Gaza.

              Oh awesome I was looking for one of you people. So - who’s gonna win the World Series? I really need this, my bookie’s already told me he’s gonna cut me off and I don’t like the sound of that!

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    Trump is Netanyahu’s favorite candidate. The disrespect to Biden/Blinken ceasefire/restraint timidness is done to make Dems look bad. Blinken is a worthless POS who may not have any serious intent to stop genocide. Both Harris and Bernie, by repeating Israel’s right to defend itself, are essentially ok with all Israeli evil, and the unlimited unconditional free weapon support, despite some occasional reserved statements to the contrary. Trump will just use unconditional support for a war on Iran as a means to ethnically cleanse Muslims from the USA.

    The “everyone is a Russian Troll” is worse than dead internet theory. Trump is more progressive on not diminishing Russia through Ukraine proxy war. Whether or not he is paid by Russia, ordinary Americans who think diminishing Russia enriches them are victims of disinformation and emotional media manipulation that makes them think support for diminishing Russia/Putin means they care more about Russian prosperity than Russian leadership, and keeping Ukraine nazified on a path to NATO is somehow “liberal”. US empire has never before reached this level of evil and recklessness. The popular normalization of this evil is a certain contributor to US decline and imminent collapse.

    Actual Russian operatives from foreign ministry would see Iran as an ally, though the massive forced Russian military production increase from Ukraine proxy war on it, means massive opportunity to assist Iran in a conflict if Ukraine gets resolved. It also means ultra high oil prices/profits. A war on Iran would still be US empire emboldened. All elected political leaders in November will take loyalty oaths to Israel, and there is no indication that Harris would stop such a war, or not involve US troops. It is just more certain that Trump would.

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      Ukraine has a lower percentage of Nazis than most countries, including russia, which has one of the higher percentages

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      Lol, “keeping Ukraine nazified”

      How much of this was a copypasta from something vaguely related?

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        A likely end to the war will be Russia keeps the liberated territory, and Ukraine agrees to stay neutral. Ukraine and US will claim victory by not denazifying its rulership. (the only other Russian condition for war starting and continuing)

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          Lolol.

          So, are you paid by the post or the word?

          Not to give y’all tips but who in their right mind believes this nazified leadership bullshit?

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    It’s not really a factor for my voting preference, as Israel is a proxy-nation of the US. If Kamala wins, Gazans die. If Trump wins, MORE Gazans die. We’re not getting the heat for it, Israel is. So meh. I don’t value human life much anyways. We’re all still violent apes who do what we want, and when there are rules against it, we break them and use violence anyhow. At this point, I’m kind of numb to it. I’ll protect those close to me, everyone not close to me idgaf. If it starts affecting me or my own, I’ll start caring.

    Until then, shoot me some more memes.

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      To each their own but I think this is fucking abhorrent and almost textbook sociopathy.

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        almost textbook sociopathy

        I guarantee you have no fucking clue what the word even means in a medical context; because I’ve not given you enough information in the slightest to be even close to making that kind of diagnosis.

        The word you’re looking for is misanthrope.

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            This guy thinks we need to be an EXPERT to be able to judge clearly visible patterns, WOO boy. Wait 'till I tell you about the color of the sky! I’ll be a meteorologist or some shit next!

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          Sociopaths can develop attachments to those close to them, usually based more on personal benefit/gain but they sometimes confuse this with genuine emotional attachment.

          Though yes, I’m not making an actual medical diagnosis.

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            I have no horse in this race, I just wanted to stop by and say sociopathy is not a diagnosis. You’re looking for Antisocial Personality Disorder. Laypeople poorly use those terms trying to differentiate someone’s disregard for right and wrong from someone else’s.

            Now that I’ve come in here and unloaded my nerd-ass “Umm actually” bullshit, I’ll let you get back to talking shit about willful idiots.