Lets take a little break from politics and have us a real atheist conversation.

Personally, I’m open to the idea of the existence of supernatural phenomena, and I believe mainstream religions are actually complicated incomplete stories full of misinterpretations, misunderstandings, and half-truths.

Basically, I think that these stories are not as simple and straightforward as they seem to be to religious people. I feel like there is a lot more to them. Concluding that all these stories are just made up or came out of nowhere is kind of hard for me.

  • lurch (he/him)@sh.itjust.works
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    18 hours ago

    There is no supernatural. Everything is natural. I’m agnostic, so I won’t rule out something exists some people would call a god, but even if it exists, I would count it as natural.

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      17 hours ago

      I disagree. Supernatural is anything that transcends the laws of nature. Something that transcends the laws of nature is not natural.

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        16 hours ago

        To paraphrase Tim Minchin, the supernatural has either not been proved to exist or has been proved to not exist.

        If you can test it - it’s natural. If you can’t test it - you can’t prove it even exists.

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            13 hours ago

            It doesn’t prove it, no, but it doesn’t need to. The burden of proof is on the one making a claim, so any claim should come with a way to test it. Otherwise, you can ALWAYS say, “Well, the flying spaghetti monster did it. You can’t prove me wrong.”

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        15 hours ago

        What are the laws of nature? You keep saying that as if it proves something but haven’t defined it. Where do the laws come from?

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          13 hours ago

          The laws of physics, biology… blah blah blah. I really wish we’d stop arguing about the definition, because it won’t really go anywhere. You know what I mean when I say supernatural.

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            7 hours ago

            Proofs start from axioms, which the ‘laws of nature’ as defined by you, are not. I don’t know what you mean, which is why I asked. You’re only revealing your own lack of critical thought here, this isn’t a gotcha like you think it is.