• ilinamorato@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    I’m a centrist in that I think the Israelis and Palestinians should live happy, productive lives and not be shot.

    It just so happens that only one side seems to disagree with that.

    • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
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      5 days ago

      Judging from other commenters here, there are radicals from both sides wilfully ignoring atrocities of the team they pick. Two state solution is the only way that would allow peace for both Palestinians and Israelis.

      • Comrade Spood@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        3 days ago

        Two state solution will always end up where we are now. There is no reason to divide the land, prior to the zionists it wasnt divided and for the most part people were fine.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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        4 days ago

        Two state solution is the only way that would allow peace for both Palestinians and Israelis.

        It seems like we’re headed to a One State Solution, and that state is Greater Israel. Purging everyone of a different ethnicity from the region “solves” the problem better than letting another Arab state build up its population and economy along your contested border. In fact, you could call it a kind of Final Solution.

      • Schtefanz@feddit.org
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        4 days ago

        I think a three state solution would be a more stable one in the long run, one Israeli one Palestine and one buffer state in between which is like Bosnia which means that it have two governments a Israeli and a Palestinian.

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          4 days ago

          If they could agree on boundaries there wouldn’t be a war to begin with, if they could work together there wouldn’t be two separate countries at all.

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        2 days ago

        Notice I didn’t say “Hamas” in my comment. Hamas attacked Israel. Israel then attacked Palestine.

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          9 hours ago

          You can’t cherry pick. Not all Israelis agree with their government. Not all gazans agree with Hamas, their government. But they’re the parties in charge.

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            5 hours ago

            I can because of the massively disparate sizes involved. A tiny Hamas force killed about 1,200 Israeli civilians. Israel’s much larger army then proceeded to kill about 45,000 Palestinian civilians. That’s about 2% of the pre-war Palestinian population, and that’s not even counting the human suffering that hasn’t yet resulted in death.

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              Yeah and sorry but if you fucked with one of my family members, and if I was capable, I’m going to wipe out all traces of your family, all the way back to the stone age.

              Don’t expect proportionate responses. We’re not cavemen and that’s not how it works.

              • ilinamorato@lemmy.world
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                4 hours ago

                Actually your response is a very caveman response. We’re better than that. I’m not going to kill a bunch of unrelated people if you kill a family member of mine, that’s deranged.

      • Comrade Spood@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        3 days ago

        Yeah how dare the Palestinians fight back against 70 years of colonization and oppression. Its always when they fight back that things have gone too far, not the ethnic cleansing. Fuck Hamas, but you can’t seriously blame them for October 7th. None of this would be happening if zionists just shared the fucking land rather than stealing it. Don’t blame the victims when they finally decide they don’t want to be victims anymore.