cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/23598266
Summary
Key leaders of the “Abandon Harris” movement, which encouraged voters to oppose Kamala Harris due to U.S. support for Israel during the Gaza war, are now expressing unease about Trump’s incoming administration.
Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East.
However, concerns are growing over his Cabinet picks, such as Mike Huckabee and Tulsi Gabbard, which some see as troubling for Muslim communities.
First past the post is such a bad way of voting. They make you choose between 2 parties that don’t even reflect most of the people. Proportional representation is a much safer way to handle everything.
Preferential voting is also good.
The conservative Middle-Eastern population in SE Michigan were far, far more fearful of getting a WOMAN president than anything.
Stupid people realizing the outcomes of stupid actions may turn out stupid.
This is what happens when a single issue voting bloc looks up from their issue and realized they listened to a lie because they heard what they wanted. Single issue voters are a plague to democracy because they aren’t smart enough to think about more than one thing.
At least single issue voters do vote for the candidate who supports their single issue. Anyone in the Abandon Harris camp who voted for Trump because of the Biden/Harris handling over the Palestinian genocide was severely ignorant of Trump’s policies. I guess this would have to include those who didn’t see him as a threat for their interests and decided not to vote.
It’d be like an anti-abortion single issue voter casting a ballot for a candidate who’s supporting Extreme Abortions ™.
I did not understand this. “I cant vote for her because she is bad on the issue i care about, so i will vote for the candidate with an even worse stance!” And to those who didnt vote, well no vote in our shit system is a vote against whatever you prefer.
I know of a few who voted but left the President ballot blank.
Don’t forget the millions who sat it out too.
Trump, or not trump. How does America get even this wrong?
So my only question really is whether these people are deliberate agents provocateur who are now feebly trying to hide the fact that they were working for the benefit of Trump all along or if they’re blithering idiots who are genuinely so fucking stupid that they didn’t see this coming
I see no third option - it’s one or the other
I suspect a lot of people thought everything would go back to 2016 if Trump won. There would be a big “resistance” movement and they could be important players in it. The small time ones like these guys thought they would get lots of attention and could push their own accelerationist agenda, and the bigger ones like CNN, WaPo and NYT thought they would go back to making lots of money on subscriptions and ad sales.
Yep.
The media was in on it in hopes that they could get so much ad revenue for farming dissent over every single thing that Trump says as he dementia blathers and bungles his way around the White House.
The wealthy are in on it in hopes that since Trump is a grifter, there is a good chance that they can be in on the grift and let Trump take all the blame for their actions well they pocket the money and run.
Kamala being president would have been a stable time in America and nothing is worse for grift and skeezy bullshit than political stability.
I wouldn’t consider the previous four years under Biden as a stable time in America (compared to the late 90s for example), but yeah, would have been more stable than the first Trump term. I don’t think Harris winning would have changed much of the vibe under Biden, as long as Congress is pretty much an even split and and the majority of the Supreme Court justices are utterly corrupt.
It’s also possible it was a intra-group power grab from a place of genuine despair and hopelessness. Historically, it’s been difficult to convince Muslims to deny their votes to Democrats because the political alternative was so bad. But the genocide in Gaza eclipsed those concerns, and it became the Muslim and Palestinian groups’ primary focus. This allowed Muslim and Palestinian political organizers an unprecedented opportunity to flex their political muscle, and to demand more attention and power within the Left’s already tenuous coalition.
The hangover will come when 1) the genocide continues, 2) anti-Muslim sentiment and policies at home increase, and 3) they realize they have bought themselves increased bargaining power within a political faction that is effectively completely powerless. But their alternative was to elect a Israeli ally who would continue to ignore Muslim and Palestinian voices. It’s just a real shit-show any way you slice it.
Well, they really showed her.
I guess we’ll see how the guy who literally only gives a fuck about himself will treat everyone else.
The real kicker is Trump doesn’t even like himself. He likes the image of himself that he portrays to other people but he hates himself.
“People who thought that Harris supports face-eating leopards decided to either not vote or voted for the face-eating leopard and are now shocked to find their faces eaten by leopards”
Fucked around.
Now we all get to find out.
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Probably true. That doesn’t make anyone else’s experience less valid. Fuck off with your dismissive shit
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I’ve said this before, but it’s worth repeating: all that effort put targeting Harris, but I didn’t see one thread targeting Trump, even though it was clear that it would be a close call.
Targeting Trump with… what, exactly? I mean he’s Trump; people voting for him do it knowing he’s Trump.
Not targeting Trump personally, but voters that are on the 5 they sit this one out.
At least we’ll all suffer in solidarity with the Palestinians. Surely that counts for something?
I no longer have solidarity with Palestine. I cared when Biden was in office because there was some hope of influencing the DNC. Now there’s no hope of that and from what I’ve heard the free Palestine movement was part of the reason we lost. Sow, Reap. Solidarity goes both ways and I have too much to worry about just keeping my remaining trans friends alive.
My country’s politics are shitty so now I don’t care about an ongoing genocide? What the fuck did I just read
You can care about two things. More even. Cutting your solidarity with Palestine over this is pathetic, I find it hard to believe you had any in the first place if this is enough to break it.
And let’s not forget that “people who generally agree with me except don’t like supporting genocide” are much less of an issue than “people who think my trans friends are mentally ill cis people, hate all immigrants and actively encourage the genocide.” Tens of millions voted for Trump. They are the problem.
Oh wow, look at all this misrepresentation of what I just said. How intelligent and honest of you.
You said you no longer have solidarity. What did I misinterpret?
I’m not going to put a thought towards helping Palestine now because the people who advocated for it stabbed everyone else in the back. No solidarity for us from them, no solidarity for them from us. I’m not going to ally with someone who actively fucked over everyone in a bid that had no chance of winning them anything. That’s not how political allyship works. They can go fuck themselves. Furthermore, even if I wasn’t this bitter, it wouldn’t matter because there’s literally nothing I can do now.
Edit: you’re probably going to say something stupid like them not being a significant part of the electorate. Doesn’t matter. Elections are made of thousands of decisions, and each one against Harris was one that contributed. The blame is shared.
So you have decided that the people suffering a genocide don’t get your help because of how people who “advocated for it” behaved? Literally punishing people who did nothing wrong. You are not obligated to, of course, but as a moral stance it fucking sucks.
The people who advocated for it that I saw (including myself) tended to say “this terrible policy will lose Harris votes, she should change it.” And they were right. The people who fucked you over were the ones who told you it would all be fine because Trump is worse and apparently because they thought the American electorate were super logical?
Blame the people who’s fault it actually is. The people who misjudged how the policy would affect turnout. And the people who actually support Trump, of whom there are way too fucking many.
Furthermore, even if I wasn’t this bitter, it wouldn’t matter because there’s literally nothing I can do now.
There wasn’t much you could do anyway, unfortunately. But it’s the same now. You can advocate. Vocally support BDS. Biden didn’t care anyway and Harris said she would continue to support Israel.
Obviously I agree that you should prioritise, but it seems a little silly to turn your back on something I’m sure you agree with just because the DNC fucked you by ignoring voters and losing the election to Trump.
Imo if you’re resisting Trump you’re all on the same side.
just because the DNC fucked you by ignoring voters
In a democracy, the responsibility for deciding who holds the reigns of power lies with the voters. I’m blaming everyone who voted for Trump and those who discouraged others from voting for Harris.
from what I’ve heard the free Palestine movement was part of the reason we lost.
That’s definitely not true. People who cared about Palestine enough to not vote for Harris are chump change compared to the numbers she lost by. I mean Trump got all swing states, literally all seven. Getting Michigan would’ve only made her loss seem less terrible. This is the DNC’s, and America’s, fault, not something that happened because some people didn’t want to fund genocide.
An election is decided by millions of small decisions. A thousand different things add up to a massive defeat. Frankly, I think you’re one of the idiots that decided not to vote for her or encouraged others to abstain and now you’re reaching for any shit justification to believe you’re not at fault for what’s going to happen now.
Anyone who could’ve voted for Harris but didn’t is part of the problem and shares in the blame. Anyone who discouraged people from voting for Harris is even more worthy of blame. If any of you are reading this: it’s your fault. The blood of people who killed themselves after the election is already on your hands and there’s more to follow.
I have no sympathy.
I got lit the fuck up yesterday by a bunch of ml trolls for having this stance in !politics.
their argument was, “if I wanted help, I should have helped them. since I refuse to help them now, they won’t help me then”
let that fester for a moment.
these people are mentally ill.
eventually I just trolled them back so I could maximize the outrage and expand my block list.
You got called out for being a Nazi.
right back at you pal. Go ahead and throw your temper tantrum, but know that come 2028
won’t happen. you guys seriously don’t fucking get it do you? I can’t even imagine being so shortsighted that I can’t even see what the fuck is happening in the next six weeks.
either way, start acting like you’re in a coalition, because thats reality whether you like it or not.
I’ve always, ALWAYS, held firm that the US should be a protector of the disenfranchised or unprotected. after this election I realized I was wrong.
We don’t have to do anything of the sort. My charity is empty. My sympathy is gone. At this point, I’m focused 100% on fixing America and American interests.
If people in some far off land have to die so that we can give LGBTQA+ people a place to feel safe so be it.
If non-Americans have to die to protect the interests that empower America so that my kids can grow up in prosperity I will vote to kill them every single time now.
Make no mistake, it’s not out of a sense of national pride. it’s not from a source of hatred or prejudice. I will protect my national interests because I have been given no other choice but to impose American authority because American ideals are being eroded and attacked by those who beg for help.
you’re drowning in a sea of hatred, and I refuse to let you take me with you.
I don’t hate you, I just don’t care about you unless you’re American or support American interests.
It was so bad that the mod, someone I would personally describe as a right wing Democrat, was pointing out that it was fascist speech.
You did say:
“If non-Americans have to die to protect the interests that empower America so that my kids can grow up in prosperity I will vote to kill them every single time now.”
To which I respond “Well, if the jack-boot fits…”
If you don’t want to be called a Nazi, you need to stop making fascist statements and this quote is LITERALLY fascist.
You also weren’t trolling. That is a hilarious after the fact ego preserving rationalization.
oh look, I missed one.
thanks.
