NEW YORK (Kyodo) – Toyota Motor Corp. said Thursday it will adopt Tesla Inc.'s charging standards for its electric vehicles to be sold in North Ameri

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        Nah can’t have standards in the USA, let the market solve that and Canada just follows whatever the USA does for these things.

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            We had a standard before that, it was called CCS. Musk changing the name of his charger doesn’t make it a defacto standard, no matter what the Muskites tell you.

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              Musk changing the name of his charger doesn’t make it a defacto standard

              No, but the majority of carmakes adopting it does.

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            It’s not a standard unless it’s made mandatory by the state, it’s just an agreement between manufacturers and sadly it seems like States always wait too long to establish standards and we end up with incompatible tech that lose support in the long term because of it.

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              that is absolutely not true. most standards AREN’T mandated by law. ANSI is voluntary for example. USB is a standard that isn’t written into law, you get the picture

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                My point is that at any time a manufacturer can just go “Fuck them, I’m creating my own interface” for this reason, the standard isn’t mandated by law! Case in point: Apple

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                  I guess I don’t understand the problem. Companies use the superior standard. Innovation is good. Look at NACS charging plug, everyone has given up on CCS in the US and signed up to switch. Despite the government mandating CCS in charge stations

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      because, from what I understnad, only the newest tesla chargers will support non-teslas charging, which is gonna leave a shitton of older chargers as tesla exclusive.

      and overnight renders all the investment and infrastructure thats been built for J1772/CCS Type1/2 completely pointless and wasted effort almost overnight.

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    That’s disappointing. I can’t wait to see how Musk attempts to screw with everyone once all major companies are using his “open” standard.

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    Does Toyota have any electic models? I thought they were still stuck between hybrids and hydrogen.

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      They made one, and they called it the BZ4X. That’s the sort of name that you give a car you don’t want people to buy. And in the event anyone did buy buy it, they made sure the wheels fell off.

      By contrast they literally call their hydrogen car the future, so it’s clear where their priorities lie.

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        By contrast they literally call their hydrogen car the future, so it’s clear where their priorities lie.

        I’m sure they’re working on EVs behind the scenes for mainstream release once other companies iron out the quirks, while the Murai is a long-term development platform. Let’s not forget Toyota dove headfirst into hybrids 23 years ago while other companies were developing shit like the Hummer H2 and the Excursion. People act like Toyota hates EVs but they’re just very conservative in their designs because their brand has a reputation for being reliable and economical. Compare that with early Teslas costing $100k and having terrible QC issues. Nobody wants that from a Toyota.

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          Honestly that is what makes the most sense to me. They are known as the slow adopter of technology. So they’re just playing the long game by waiting to jump into the BEV world head first once they let the market shake out the first few hurdles. Plus it lets them wait on purchasing Lithium, which is currently in a huge bubble. So from the c-suite, it makes perfect sense to play coy with BEVs right now.

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        They’ve announced a lot of EVs are in the works but they’ll also keep offering hybrids and FCEVs. They kind of have to our they’ll lose the European market.

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          And they have also announced that their EVs will use the same naming scheme as the BZ4X. Toyota has good, distinct, and memorable names for everything other than their EVs.

          The choice to identify their EVs by a catalog number instead of a name, shows that they’re only making EVs because they have to.

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      They released a compliance car (BZ4x) built with Subaru. From what I’ve read it sucks and essentially just performs the same function as the PT Cruiser and Chevy HHR did back in the day. I’m sure this’ll be retained for the future when they have a proper lineup of EVs though.

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      They also have the Prius Prime and Rav4 Prime models which have larger battery packs and charge ports compared to their standard hybrid variants. These models don’t support DC fast charging and still operate like standard hybrids so having the larger charge network isn’t as important.

      I’m not sure if the existing Tesla level 2 “chargers” would work in this case but assuming they do it would offer more options.

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        I have a prius prime! Works perfect for my use case. Everyday driving is full battery with maybe a bit of gas. Big long trips require no extra planning or stops.

        Not for everyone, and i figure will last until EVs are nice and developed with better infrastructure up where i live.

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    I’d be careful with making vehicles reliant on a fascist owned charging infrastructure.

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    Fuuuck, please keep everything on one standard. It’s going to suck to have multiple plugs at every station, particularly since the official standard can scale like crazy :/