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Summary
Tipping in U.S. restaurants has dropped to 19.3%, the lowest in six years, driven by frustration over rising menu prices and increased prompts for tips in non-traditional settings.
Only 38% of consumers tipped 20% or more in 2024, down from 56% in 2021, reflecting tighter budgets.
Diners are cutting back on outings, spending less, and tipping less. Some restaurants are adding service fees, further reducing tips.
Worker advocacy groups are pushing to eliminate the tipped-wage system, while the restaurant industry warns these shifts hurt business and employees.
Key cities like D.C. and Chicago are phasing in higher minimum wages for tipped workers.
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The worst part is when you go to a place you need to pay before service is rendered.
If I go to the bagel shop and get a dozen I pay before I pick them out. TIP? Are you kidding me, what what, you have not served me yet.
A tip is to reward good service at a sit down place. I still think it shouldn’t be and if we have it, it should be back to the 5-10% like most countries that have tipping.
But if you ask for a tip before you render service i get a little angry.
I’ve been tipping more, but that’s mostly because I live in a relatively low-income area and I know people around here are cheap/frugal. I’ve also worked in food service before (though not deliveries) and I know just how awful it can be. I hope I can be the one delivery that allows the person to call it an early night and spend time with their family. Shit like that.
That being said, I don’t know what kind of notes the drivers get when they see my order pop up, but I will say that 99% of the time, my service has been impeccable. They know.
HOWEVER, don’t take this as approval for tipping culture. I hate it and would love to do away with it. Unfortunately, I understand that these people depend on my tips for a living wage and that sucks.
People tip more than 10%?
i actually give everyone a 600% tip because i want to show everyone that i love american lifestyle
You flew too close to the sun, you insufferable, greedy pieces of shit. Pay your workers a livable wage yourself, we’re done subsidizing your labor abuses.
I swear when I was a kid in the 90s 5-10% was standard.
Anyone else remember this?
I grew up waiting tables in the late 90’s - early 00’s. The state I was in had a mandatory 8% tax claim on total sales for the day. So if you did $2000 in food / liquor sales, you had to claim $160 in additional, taxable wages within the time keeping system at the end of your shift. We also received a base wage that was equivalent to the state minimum wage at the time.
Based on my experiences working everywhere from small chaim restaraunts in mill towns to hipster bars in metropolitan areas, that 5-10% was pretty accurate.
However, there were usually one or two anomalies every shift that meant you’d clear an overall net closer to 20% for the day.
The smart ones budgeted around a 0% take home and treated their tips as a supplement, the rest of us lived together so rent was cheap enough we could still waste our money on drinking and partying after shift.
Im 40. It had always been 15% as long as I can remember, and my memory of it goes pretty far back. When I started learning percentages in math class my parents made me the tip calculator whenever we’d go out so that would have been 8 or 9 years old?
10 bad, 15 average, 20 good service. I’ve always gone above 20, having worked plenty of years relying on it for income myself
Yup and tips were only for a short list of things like waiters or cabbies.
“Let me tip the taco time drive through”
- Statement from the deranged.
Tipping culture and systems need to die off. Sadly, because they often get paid more via tips than they would by increased hourly wages, tipped employees are often against such reforms.
And, to be fair, for most restaurants, it would be really hard for them to pay their wait staff appropriate wages in many cities where rent is extremely high and the cost of the food products they use to create their meals is rising as well. It’s not a simple matter of “the employer should pay their employees’ wages, not the customer.” The industry is built around tipping, and that’s not something that can be changed overnight.
Still, I firmly believe it needs to happen. And if that means increasing the price of restaurant meals, so be it. I suspect people eat out too much these days anyway and should learn to cook themselves. I used to eat out a lot until I did some calculations and realized I was spending way too much on it. Since learning to cook, I’ve saved a lot of money and now prefer my own cooking to a lot of restaurant fare out there (although not the really good stuff—I’m no professional chef).
I don’t really agree that restaurants couldn’t make it work. It’s just going to have to take all or nothing.
Getting away from tipped wages is the real problem. Give all restaurant workers fair livable wages, they won’t be on tighter budgets on would spend more going out.
Workers can’t live paycheck to paycheck just for the profits to sit in some CEO or owners back account. The economy is heathy with an exchange of money. More money in the pockets of the people the more they will spend.
Of course it won’t work if one restaurant (or any single company) does it differently when everyone is still on tight budgets. You won’t get the business from your own employees but need others to have the means to come to you too.
good work Americans, keep it up.
don’t stop until the rate is 0%. paying workers is the employer’s job.
Sometimes people try to bring tipping culture to NZ. We show them the door.
Whats funny is when Americans dont care about our non tipping culture and tip anyway
saw that once. The waiter said “I am not allowed to accept tips” and the american looked confused/offended. Thought it was quite funny
I once worked for an American company that had a requirement that if you’re using company money to pay for a meal, you tip at least 20%.
That was very awkward in some countries…
One time after a meal out in Wellington, the waiter chased us up the street - he’d just realised he overcharged us for wine, and was bringing us the cash.
Yeah! Thank you so much for punishing the servers and delivery drivers instead of business owners and making it harder for me to pay rent and feed myself! You’re all such wonderful people!
nah, by law if nobody tipped, they’d have to be paid by their employer in full. You’re not punishing them, you’re just not accepting responsibility that, by law, is not yours
Paid in full to… checks notes, ~$3/hour (if they make server rates) or $7.25/hour (if they make federal minimum wage)? Wow. Not sure if they make the higher or lower of the two, but either way…
Also, lots of places straight up just won’t do that. They might eventually get caught, and pay a fine or whatever.
Refusing to tip, at the consumer level, will change nothing besides ruining the day/week of the person delivering your order.
there are no server rates. minimum is minimum. the server rate only applies if you tip.
You’re a victim of the system you’re protecting. Enough with the Stockholm Syndrome.
The ones funding my bosses and not me are doing a lot more to protect the system than I am. Not tipping has no effect on the employer and only punishes the person providing you a service.
Not tipping has no effect on the employer and only punishes the person providing you a service.
We’re here talking about it
Your employer is required to pay you minimum wage if tips don’t make up the difference. If people stop tipping entirely, it actually will impact your boss.
A. Wage theft is widespread and hard to fight without money
B. Minimum wage hasn’t been a livable wage since the 70’s
Sounds like you need a union.
different problems. Maybe try to tackle those instead?
This makes absolutely no sense. Do you even think before you type or…?
They’re absolutely correct though and it makes perfect sense. This is a systemic problem. Don’t use the service at all if you want to make a statement.
Use the service, and then refuse to tip (100% of which goes to the driver btw), and you are doing nothing but directly hurting other working class people. Good job.
Customers fund businesses. Customers who don’t tip still fund businesses. Not tipping makes no impact on the business’s pay scale.
That’s like employers holding someone hostage and then claiming any harm that comes to them is your fault.
I feel like this is 90% of politics; a gun is held to someone’s head for a hostage demand, and to not give in to the demand is to be as bad as the shooter themselves.
“How could you shoot down my bill for a Coal Chugging Committee? It would’ve created so many jobs111”
You’re still not supposed to shoot the hostages.
Not according to Jack Traven.
How about you be angry at the business owner for paying a shit wage? Tips should be a bonus you get for a job well done not something that makes your life liveable, that’s what your wage is for. We aren’t to blame if your boss is a piece of shit who refuses to pay you a liveable wage.
Yes, and the way to take that anger out on the business owner, is not by withholding a tip to the working class driver (who receives 100% of the tip, btw), it’s by not using the fucking service in the first place.
I assure you I am also angry at my corporate masters, but they’re irredeemable scum and aren’t on Lemmy. It angers me more when I see people cheering that food is being taken out of my mouth as though it’s some virtuous blow to my bosses. It’s not. You’re only further exploiting already exploited people
I’m with you, these replies are delusional. Saying that the employer has to pay minimum wage if the servers don’t get tips is so ignorant it’s insane. Servers make like ~$3/hr in a big chunk of the US. That’s slave labor in our modern economy. $7.25 is not much better.
They think they’re making some grand statement by tipping their UberEats driver $0, while in reality they’re just taking money directly from other working class people. And if they actually wanted to make a statement, they would not have used UberEats in the first fucking place.
It angers me when I have to subsidize someone else’s wages because they’re not built into the price I’m paying.
Do you tip the cashier at the grocery store? The technology employee who recommended what TV to buy? The book store worker who helped you find a book?
No, you don’t.
Why? Because their pay is already factored into the price of the goods being sold or the service being provided.
If anyone’s stealing food from your mouth it’s your employer.
Yes, blame the exploited for their exploitation and never acknowledge your participation in it. You are a good American
the exploited are in on it in this case. Because, by federal law, “below minimum wage jobs” don’t exist. You either make minimum with tips, or the employer is forced to pay the full amount. So the problem is wage theft. That is not the concern of the clients, but of the relevant authorities, if the servers bothered to report, of course
Try to live off $7.25/hour, let alone raise a family. Servers make even less (~$3 something/hour?).
This shit is so fucking tone deaf and misguided.
A very good American.
It’s so much nicer travelling in places where service workers are valued by their employers.
I still support the anti-tipping people though - it’s the single best option they have to effect change. It’s something small, concrete, and moves things to the desired end-state.
Stop tipping and donate the amount to community organizations fighting poverty instead.
Or better yet advocate for a minimum wage that is actually livable so people don’t have to rely on charity organizations that often come with religious strings attached.
I mean this is the better way to do it honestly. People generally tipping less means those positions basically pay less. The whole reason people work those jobs is because with good tips you can make some serious bank. Stop making bank, people will move elsewhere, can’t hire servers because tips don’t pay well enough? Then start paying them. If the alternative is everyone just stops tipping tomorrow then people would really be screwed, because they wouldn’t have time to transition.
Sure it sucks they’re getting paid less, but if the alternative is this “you better pay our workers so they can eat because we ain’t gonna do it” then I’d say it’s a pretty welcome change.
It’s also not like the tip amount dropped to 5% or something. Prices have been going nuts lately, so the tips are probably about the same cash amount as they have been, which is just a smaller percent of the now larger bill.
“I mean this is the better way to do it honestly.”
It’s not. The better way is for people who don’t want to tip to stop going out to places or using services where tipping is customary. That way nobody is increasingly encouraged to perform labor for less than they’re work is worth. If there are not enough customer’s because of this then the businesses will change or perish. All of this anti-tipping sentiment leads me to believe is that if these customers were to trade places with the owners then they’d pay their laborer’s just as little.
That way nobody is increasingly encouraged to perform labor for less than they’re work is worth.
You negotiated what your labor is worth when you took the serving job; below minimum wage. Don’t like it? Go find a non tipped job that doesn’t rely on patrons subsidizing your wages.
What other industry relies on paying for something and then having to pay more after you’ve already paid the agreed upon price?
there are no “below minimum wage jobs”. Minimum is minimum. If you don’t tip, the employer has to pay the full minimum wage. If you end up with less than minimum wige, then you were stolen from by your employer. The proper response to which is to go to the authorities, which take this kind of thing quite seriously, not guilt tripping the clients
yeah those are both ignorant of the law. No, the job pays minimum wage. If you don’t tip, the employer must.
Wage theft is what’s going on. Which is a different problem. And if that is solved and minimum wage isn’t enough, then that’s a minimum wage problem. Which affects everyone. Servers aren’t special. Neither require tipping.
“Corporations and Restaurants refuse to pay waiters a living wage, subsidizing their salaries with their already drawn thin customers’ depressed wages.”
There, I fixed the title so it identifies the actual problem rather than causing divisions in the working classes.
Good! Tipping culture is NOT generosity; it is a symptom of an exploitative economic model that values capital accumulation more than basic human dignity.
Here’s the tip reform I want:
Every restaurant/bar/etc with their staff decides on a default gratuity that represents their service standards/aspirations.Menu prices must include this gratuity. (And include taxes - why not.)
At time of payment, the customer can choose how much they want to tip: the default, or some amount more or less.
Transparent prices. No unwritten rules. Bar staff still make $$. And no disadvantage to restaurants who pay a higher hourly wage instead of tips.
Tipping is beyond fucked up.
Guy at home depot loading your heavy ass lumber into the truck? No tip.
Some dipshit behind the counter punching numbers on a screen, you better believe that’s a tippin!
STOP TIPPING unless somone is actually serving you!! Ask yourself, is this service closer to the guy loading the lumber, or the gas station attendant sitting behind the register?
STOP TIPPING
unless somone is actually serving you!!FTFY
Also good!
You all are nuts for how much you tip these days.
It used to be you tipped waiters at restaurants (not register jockeys), your hairdresser, the valet guy, the hotel maid, and maaaaybe the delivery guys if they went above and beyond hooked stuff up and you made them carry something heavy up 10 flights of stairs. That’s it.
The waiter got 10-15% for good service. I dunno about hairdressers but I think around 10% was normal. Everyone else got a few bucks to a fiver (unless you drove a Lamborghini)
Tipping landlords - are you kidding me? Tipping when you weren’t served? - gtfo Do you do it because you’re afraid of conflict? You’re doing it to yourselves - it was bad enough before and you all are just feeding the beast.
Tipping landlords
Nobody does this.
The final straw for me was 5 Guys. They added a gratuity on (wtf for idk coz I got my own EVERYTHING) the ticket, then had the audacity to have a tip jar. Never going back.
A gas station that I go to added a tips jar a few years ago. Wtf. You aren’t doing shit but tapping on a sale screen. I really like the people working there. They remember me and we chat. But I’m not tipping you because I bought a Gatorade and you rang it up.
On the other hand, I dated someone from another country who didn’t live a tipping culture. When she covered a meal and didn’t tip, I’d leave cash because I know it’s expected. I was embarrassed that she didn’t agree with our custom.
Tipping needs to go. Just pay people a fair wage.
