I think not living is better than growing up neglected with only bullying as love. It’s better to not live than to watch your relatives live real lives while you sit in a corner playing a video game so you’re out of sight. It’s better to not live than to have everyone in your family hate you for being dependent, but also hate you when you ask for help on being independent. It’s just not a life worth living for both parties. The real relatives deserve real lives that doesn’t involve taking care of some burden nobody wants, and the other shouldn’t live as a burden nobody wants. So many unwanted kids are put in group homes where they stagnate more solely because their parents didn’t want to try raising them. Death is better than living in prison for being unwanted.
I really am under the impression that this is a baited question.
Because you’ve not once described a scenario in which a child is dealing with something that you deem ‘isn’t worth dealing with’.
In roman times your father had the absolute right to kill you if he wanted to.
You also weren’t considered an adult until your father died.
until your father died
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The community is called “no stupid questions” so I won’t say this is a stupid question, but damn if this isn’t the most ‘murican question I’ve seen.
Your question seems heavily weighted by the idea that a child is only the responsibility of the people who brought it into the world, which is completely wrong even if it is a fundamental assumption of an individualistic capitalist society like America. It’s a backwards notion to say that someone who has a right to live can have that right taken away because it’s too much of a burden to help them live; life is the exact thing that an organized society ought to be focused on protecting, otherwise what good is that society?
People say “it takes a village to raise a child” and while that is seldom followed especially in America, it is absolutely true. Raising a human being is among the hardest jobs imaginable, full stop. The abilities and needs of that child have to be considered every step of the way because it is among the most important jobs imaginable. If that child is ever treated like a burden, then something in that society has failed. It’s not just the parents’ responsibility to raise them, it is everyone’s.
Should a parent be allowed to euthanize a burden? No. 100% no. That parent needs to enlist help, and honestly help structures should be built into that society.
Lastly, the way you phrase your question is really concerning. “Parents should be able to euthanize their children, because it is better to be dead than feel like a burden.” I hope you can see that whatever convinced you that it’s better to be dead than a burden is utterly wrong. You matter, OP, for no reason other than that you exist <3
This is why the right to abortion services is so crucial.
I feel like you may have missed the point of what I’m saying. Ending the progression of human life because it’s burdensome is 100% the wrong reason.
That being said, I agree the right to abortion services is critical and ought not to be infringed by any sort of rule that takes the decision out of the hands of the pregnant person. I just could never disagree more with the idea that abortion rights are crucial to prevent the person who would give birth from being burdened.
Hey, if the pregnant person feels like being a parent would be burdensome that’s a perfect reason not to have a kid. We need present and active parents, not parents that wish they never had a kid.
Jesus are u OK op?
What about if they just have a bad vibe about them?
Every kid is dying around… 15 then I’d say.
My cousin had a kid who was basically not a person. In a wheelchair unable to communicate or feed himself, just sitting there Drooling, maybe he was in there or maybe not. I think he made it to ten or twelve.
Yea my kids got depression, I’m gonna get of these lazy Useless Eaters
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Oh c’mon, it’s in a children’s book!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Giftpilz
Can’t be all that bad
/s in case that isn’t glaringly obvious enough
Well, it certainly shifts the abortion debate…
What happens when the family farm runs low on food, or a parent loses their job?
“Well, tommy’s always been a bit odd, you know what to do. Shame, he almost made it to 18”.
Some societies have done this
Most modern societies frown on this today
But we have tools to detect some problems before birth, which kicks off the previous discussion about being to term a unhealthy baby
So, it’s complicated, and no way are we going to arrive at consensus
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Plus there is great debate amongst different societies about what a “bad diagnosis” is…
CW: child abuse, abortion, sexual assault, suicidal ideation
I think if a fetus has an abnormality the parents don’t want, then they can choose to abort once it is caught. But once the infant is born, the parents shouldn’t be able to back out. I don’t have children, I might have them one day, so I don’t know if I’ll ever change my mind if I end up having a kid with a serious disability that wasn’t caught in time for an abortion. There are some conditions where the kid doesn’t even survive childhood. That sounds really heartbreaking but I couldn’t bring myself to basically kill a child.
I am physically and mentally disabled myself and it has been a struggle. I haven’t had kids yet because my disability has made me permanently low income and I don’t know if I have the strength and energy to raise a child. I am female so I would be carrying and birthing the baby and breastfeeding and all that jazz, unmedicated because my medication causes birth defects. There are times I want to die, I find myself drifting towards researching suicide methods. But it is my choice, it should never be anyone else’s. Certainly not my asshole parents’ decision.
I would like to say that if a parent wants to back out, the kid can go to a loving home in foster care. However, foster care is very bad in my area and I’ve heard very tragic tales from children that end up in their care. I don’t know why, I don’t know if it is a budgeting issue, but abusive foster parents in my area with clear mental and anger problems are allowed to foster anyway as well as typical abusive religious nutjobs. My parents were pretty abusive to me, one was the narcissistic abuser and the other was the enabler. I have PTSD from them and so do my siblings. And yet we ended up better than the foster kids I’ve heard from. I still would advocate for fixing the foster care system rather than killing all those children. My parents told me if I called CPS, I would be raped in foster care. It scared me enough to keep quiet about the abuse. Turns out it does happen, I know kids that went through that, and it is fucked up. I’m not saying every foster kid goes through this but I would never take that chance with my own kid. Adoption is not an option for me.
Even though I was misdiagnosed, I would have benefited from being “wrongfully” euthanized than to live as the scum beneath my family’s shoes, having to learn basic hygiene and just about everything else on my own (while having to hide it from family since trying to be clean and mature is funny), and being in a “school” that educated me with YouTube videos while teaching me that my comfort doesn’t matter and to let anyone do whatever they want to me regardless of whether I like it or not. Fighting off a creepy stalker who copied everything I did and cornered me in the restroom made me the problem. She’s not a creep, I just don’t like. But letting another kid touch and try to rape me without reporting it (because why would someone care about something you Just Don’t Like) also made me the problem.
To this day I just tell everyone I don’t remember anything before Three Houses came out. I barely do anyway. I have no childhood memories, no family, no childhood friends, no pictures, nothing. Because while everyone else got to navigate their neighborhood and actually grow as children and teenagers, I sat on a short bus for 2 hours, in the same desk for 7 hours, then on the short bus for another 2.5 hours to go lie in bed and be out of sight like a good kid. I should have just died.
I can’t begin to understand what you have gone through. The only thing I can say is that there must be a tiny grain of hope that you can somehow live a better life in the future. Please contact the Samaritans, or equivalent in your country. Please try to get help to find a better life for yourself.
It sounds like you’ve been through a lot and I’m sorry your life has been so hard. I hope you find a way to talk to someone (preferably a therapist) about your difficulties and find a way to live a good life beyond your troubles.
Idk man, kids can adapt to pretty much any condition. It’s mostly other people’s reactions that make it hard. I don’t think you make that better by saying they’re justified in their prejudices.
Edit: Crap, I didn’t realize this was about you. I stand by it though.
Heck em. I’ve known people with similarly traumatic childhoods who turned out to be amazing — quirks and all.
There’s so much more time than you realize, and Future You™ will have a very different attitude about this stuff after you get some distance from it.
I would be conflicted about a child with infantile tay-Sachs (there are probably other similar diseases, but I don’t know them). That’s a short, excruciating life, and I would not want to live it. But the idea of someone choosing euthanasia for someone else, even someone under their care, is pretty abhorrent to me. It seems too ripe for abuse, and the right to decide to end your own life should not be transferable. The ending of it can be, but only under circumstances determined by the person (so I could tell my husband that I don’t want to keep going if I can’t recognize my children, for example, and when I reach that point, he could kill me, but he can’t decide what the line is).
It’s kind of related to the abortion discussion. I don’t think the question is “should they be allowed to” but rather “when are they allowed to” I think that in some situations there’s a case to be made for after-birth-abortion but I don’t quite feel like “not wanting to deal with it” is a sufficient reason.