• Rhynoplaz@lemmy.worldM
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    That statement right there implies that you are probably one of the 30% of Americans that could have stopped Trump just by voting for the next best feasible option.

    Don’t get me wrong, that was me the first time he ran, I was similarly disillusioned when I felt like Hillary cheated Bernie. So, those first four years. Those were on me.

    I hope you enjoy all the “progress” these next four bring, because those are on YOU.

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      And you would be 100% wrong. Trump is 100% the fault of people that would never hold their own politicians accountable. They allowed them and their entire party to keep shifting further to the right by accepting small doses of ‘lesser evil’ an evil that grew so large they were not able to contain it any longer. They thought that the proper route to go was incrementalism which resulted in small little baby steps to the right. The entire party has shifted from people like Jimmy Carter to people that deny that there’s genocide going on in Gaza.

      One of the biggest faults of liberals is that they only fight the symptoms of the corrupted system. They refused to challenge the system itself because they benefit so much from it.

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        And until you actually get that revolution started, sitting around and talking about it while blaming EVERYONE ELSE, is just as helpful as the people watching Fox News every day.

        Again, I get it. And I support your revolution, but until you’re ready and willing to actually start it, you should support mine.

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          Liberals do not have a revolution, complacency and conformity to the status quo is not revolution. Realizing that Democrats are not our allies is the beginning of that revolution

          And continuing to repeat the same failures year after year after year is not a very compelling argument to support you

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            You could have voted for Harris, and convinced other people that it didn’t matter how bad she was, because the other option, and there were ONLY 2 choices lets not kid ourselves, is trump and thats worse in ALL possible ways

            You could have done everything to stop Trump, and also still start your revolution under Harris. Nothing stopping you from voting for the objectively better choice while continuing to figure out how to construct the world you believe in. The enemy of your worst enemy IS a better choice than the worst choice

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              And you could have voted for Stein or Claudia Del la Cruz, In first past the post, the one with the most votes wins and dems could have helped make that happen. We’ve tried the Democrat way for generations and things just keep getting worse. And for Democrats, it’s always been do it my way this time and then we can do it your way next time. The problem is that I’ve been hearing that for 50 years and next time never comes because the Democrat leadership will always give you a boogeyman to fear, something to vote against.

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            Like I said, it’s all just big talk until you fucking DO SOMETHING. Talk to me when you get started.

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              That’s a cute assumption to believe that I am doing nothing. I’ve been doing something for years, part of that doing nothing is getting people to realize Democrats want the exact same end game as Republicans and none of it is for the benefit of the working class. They serve the donor class, the 1%, at our expense. If I was actually doing nothing as you claim we wouldn’t be in this discussion, but discussions like this make liberals like yourself uncomfortable so they lash out. Liberals don’t like leftists because we make them feel like bad people. That’s why they try so hard to morally lash out at us whenever they can. They understand that many of the policies they advocate are unethical but can’t oppose a system they benefit from so they tear us down.

              So not only are leftists fighting the system, we also have to fight Democrats that are constantly punching left when they should be punching up. But Democrats will breathe their final breath defending the status quo, defending the systems of exploitation and oppression.

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                And I wish you the best of luck, let me know when you’ve successfully talked the world into being a better place. I’ll be the first to thank you. Hell, check in every now and then with progress updates, and I’ll cheer you on. But, since you haven’t said otherwise, I’m guessing you wasted your opportunity to prevent Trump from taking office. So, I’ll just see how YOUR plan works out for us.

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                  Your plan was to put in someone that denied Gaza is experiencing a genocide, that locked trans in women up in men’s prisons, arrested black women for their students being tardy, embraced war criminals, blew Republican dog whistles like using the word Patriot and gun usage, has never won a single electoral vote in her life. Was pulling at the same level as Biden who polled at one of the lowest levels ever for a president.

                  We saw how the Democrat plan worked out for all of us in 2020, and we all got fucked. Democrats fucked up in 2016. Gave us Trump Democrats fucked up in 2024. Gave us Trump.

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                    Sounds like you’re happy with the situation that you, and others like you have put us in. Like I said, hope it works out. Thanks for nothing.

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                    Have you seen the executive orders alone that YOUR choice of trump has caused? THIS is better than “denieing that there is a genocide in gaza” ?

                    Holy wow dudez thats just wow.

                    You empowered the acceleration of something you hated simply being denied and not supported

                    This is what 2025 looks like.

                    We DO live interesting times