• Ulrich@feddit.org
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    15 hours ago

    but you can just replace the board

    The board is like, the whole computer tho. The mobo, CPU, GPU and RAM are all the same component. It’s everything Framework is supposed to oppose. That took them what, 4 years? to throw away their values?

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      14 hours ago

      They also announced three other products (one new, two refreshes) which are still being actively developed and are fully-modular devices at low cost. If they’re “throwing away their values,” they’re not doing it very well.

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        13 hours ago

        It’s never a single step process. These things happen slowly, bit by bit. It’s the beginning of the end.

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          If this is it happening bit by bit, then why is most of the news about them doubling down on their principles? Why did they make clear what they were doing and why, and talk about their work to make it modular, instead of trying to hide it or sweep it under the rug?

          This sort of doomerism and slippery slope purity test nonsense is exactly why niche companies that do what people value eventually go under, leaving us with just the awful ones. This isn’t a betrayal of their values. This isn’t the beginning of the end. It’s just a choice they made, and all of the other choices they made confirm that they’re still doing stuff the way they were.

          Edit: I’m not saying you have to buy it, or that you shouldn’t make clear to the company you don’t think this comports with what you want them to value. But writing them off forever based on this one product seems so self-defeating.

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            If this is it happening bit by bit, then why is most of the news about them doubling down on their principles?

            Its called marketing.

            Why did they make clear what they were doing and why

            …I don’t understand the question. Why wouldn’t they? Why does being clear about why they’ve abandoned their mission excuse anything?

            exactly why niche companies that do what people value

            That’s the opposite of what’s happening though.

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              Its called marketing.

              They’re actually building those devices. It’s not marketing if you can buy them.

              Why wouldn’t they?

              Because most companies do. They gloss over the shifts so that they can focus on other stuff.

              Why does being clear about why they’ve abandoned their mission excuse anything?

              Because it shows that they haven’t. They talked about the work they put into trying to make it modular.

              That’s the opposite of what’s happening though.

              For this one product, maybe. But again, this was one of the four products they announced yesterday.

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                It’s not marketing if you can buy them.

                …yes? It is? Why would you market a product that no one can buy? LOL

                Because most companies do.

                And that means they should?

                They talked about the work they put into trying to make it modular.

                “Aw sorry, we really tried to make something” doesn’t cut it. If you can’t do it, don’t do it. Simple as.

                But again, this was one of the four products they announced yesterday.

                How many products that are antithetical to their entire stated purpose do they need to make before you see that as a red flag?

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                  …yes? It is?

                  Sorry. It’s not just marketing if you can buy them.

                  And that means they should?

                  Of course not! What do you think I’m arguing for? I’m saying that if they were trying to make some kind of sneaky change, they wouldn’t have taken five minutes to talk about it in their big event.

                  “Aw sorry, we really tried to make something” doesn’t cut it. If you can’t do it, don’t do it. Simple as.

                  This ignores the realities of running a company. Once you’ve sunk development dollars into a project, you can’t just walk away from it. You have to recoup your investments somehow, or you just end up hemorrhaging money and go out of business and can’t do anything ever again.

                  How many products that are antithetical to their entire stated purpose do they need to make before you see that as a red flag?

                  Well it needs to not be a single component in a product that’s a tiny minority of their business, for one thing.

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                    I’m saying that if they were trying to make some kind of sneaky change, they wouldn’t have taken five minutes to talk about it in their big event.

                    I’m not worried at all about them being “sneaky”, I am worried about them abandoning their mission. Being upfront about why they’re doing that changes nothing.