If I steal food from the store, I’m both robbing the store, and a community that would have paid good money for that food.
If I go to the store and magically have the items on the shelves be duplicated into my cart, and I don’t have to pay for them. That is not a crime that is a miracle
Consider this. (big chain) Stores already steal from the community via profits they make.
And while we’re on about food, look at how much the grocery stores toss out.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Theft is theft.
No, but three lefts make a right!
You are goddamn right!
Didn’t ask for your meaningless sayings that do not apply to real life
Exactly true, and as applied to patents: if I steal your fish you go hungry, if I watch how you fish and do the same we both eat.
bruh
God damn right!
…I mean… PIRACY IS WRONG AND IMORRAL!
stealing from billionaires is bad! How are they supposed to afford their giant mansions and gold Hummers if we pirate things?!
Edit: I just don’t have the attention span to read all that.
I don’t agree with some of that stuff.
I think if you buy something it should be yours forever.
And if you want someone to work for you, you need to pay them…and you need to pay them more than enough to live. I’d say the minimum wage needs to be double what a living wage would be.
I don’t agree with some of that stuff.
How do you know before you read the entire argument? 🤔
I don’t agree with some of that stuff.
How do you know before you read the entire argument?
By reading some of it, I suppose.
read the linked text if you are interested in debating me 😁😂🤣😅 I am not gonna make the same argument but worse than proudhon if you don’t care or have time or attention span for that but then you probably shouldn’t say it’s bullshit without knowing what you are talking about 😘
It’s something about how working for a shitty wage that can’t allow you to afford a life is bad, right? How it’s basically the same thing as slavery?
But then it goes into how property, just having property at all is somehow theft? That’s where I disagree. People need to be able to own things and have things that only they can control. You can’t and shouldn’t be allowed to do whatever you want with other people’s things.
People should always have autonomy over their own lives and their own property. And people should be given a UBI equivalent to a living wage and the minimum wage needs to be double what a living wage would be on top of benefits
No. The first argument is that the author can equate slavery to murder without being misunderstood. They then expound further on that meaning. They say nothing about wages.
The second argument says that in contrast one cannot equate property to robbery without being grossly misunderstood, which you have so eloquently demonstrated.
No, it is from a 19th century socialist, this sort of language isn’t easily understood by most people in the modern day. And to act like it should be so insightful to them is sophistry.
I’m not taking offense that they didn’t understand the argument. I’m taking offense that they openly admitted to not reading it, and then attempting to summarize what it said, poorly. If that’s sophistry, so be it. They’re being willfully ignorant.
Okay, well. I don’t have the attention span to read all that. And I can’t tell if there’s any subtext in what you said.
A line break or paragraphs or literally any formatting at all would have helped. I suspect it’s an artifact of how the full quote was done as the link, though.
I mean, it’s not
It’s piracy, a different crime
A crime I love committing babyyyyyyyyyy
Yeah, when you steal something from someone then he does not have it anymore. With indefinitely replicable virtual goods that is not the case.
We here at Futurama do not condone the cool crime of burglary.
“Property is theft!” ~ EA
What is renting?
Can I get Bullshit answers for $1,000 Alex
Renting is what buying is for corporations today.
It’s the theft of profit they don’t like, they don’t care if you watch it, just that you give them money for the opportunity to watch.
No, they still don’t like it when I buy a copy of a video game and then pirate it as well
yup. anti-piracy is about control, not profits. this is trivial to deduce from the simple fact that no one ever measures a drm solution’s performance in total sales recovered, they only ever whine about hypothetical lost ones, which is the corporate equivalent of sideways for attention, long way for effect
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If I steal your bicycle
you have to take the bus,
but if I just copy it
there’s one for each of us!im a bicycle store owner and this is so true
I like to think this implies that people are coming into your store and cloning the bicycles
You wouldn’t download a bicycle would you?
You aren’t stealing from the person you’re getting it from, you’re stealing from the person who created it
Artists have rights over their work, and no amount of whataboutisms will change that.
HOLY SHIT DUDE GOOD POINT GUESS WE SHOULD DELETE THE WHOLE FUCKING COMMUNITY
What exact rights though? A right to sell pixels or a right to burn a painting after someone bought it?
Unfortunately they sign over most of those rights to their preferred publisher.
There are always indie platforms they can publish to though