• ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    12
    ·
    1 year ago

    Largest prison population both in absolute size AND per capita. Also, random fact, their constitution allows prisoners to be forced into slave labour. Also, another random fact, their prisons are run for profit. None of these facts are related of course!

    • The Dark Lord ☑️@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      1 year ago

      Next you’re going to tell me that these for-profit prisons lobby the government for harsher prison sentences for things like cannabis possession.

    • cornbread@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      Not to nitpick but not ALL prisons in the US are for-profit. They should be illegal though.

      Fun fact - other countries that have for-profit prisons include the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Chile, Jamaica, Japan, Mexico, Peru, South Africa, South Korea and Thailand.

      This won’t do much since most of these prisons operate under state jurisdiction, but in 2021, President Joe Biden issued an executive order to stop the United States Department of Justice from renewing further contracts with private prisons.

      • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        And how many of these other prisons offer up their prisoners as extremely cheap labor to businesses that ARE for profit?

      • 🐱TheCat@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Listen I live in the USA, but if thats your best pushback to all those facts - should tell you what a dire state we are in. And prisons that aren’t for profit still send out prisoners to for-profit industries to work, so it’s kind of a moot point.

        • Fedizen@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          california spending 100k+ per prisoner but renting them out for pennies is one of the insane unsustainable aspects of the system and then going and saying “we can’t afford to let them out” is mind numbing.

          The whole circus is just to keep wages down and arrest anybody folks don’t want in their shitty suburb.

    • httpjames@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      And house arrest is being used for mass incarceration of people being ACCUSED before conviction. The punishment can be more severe before conviction.

          • PMmesexypajamas@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            Uhh…nope.

            Also…about 25% of the people incarcerated in America aren’t even convicted of a crime yet.

            Even if they’re found innocent, it’s likely already cost them their job or made it so they are so far behind on bills from not working that it becomes next to impossible to climb out from under

  • geissi@feddit.de
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    1 year ago

    Reminder that the US have never abolished slavery for prisoners and have one of the largest slave population in the world.

    • Zithero@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      Yep… And every time there’s an employment issue for the agricultural industry, they whip out the prisoners…

      However to the prisoner’s credit: They do an absolutely terrible job at whatever it is they’re doing.

      Why? What are they going to do… Fire you? Jail you? You have no incentive at all to do the job well as a prisoner.

      Bonus is by doing a horrific job it makes employers less likely to actually request prison workforces.

  • Rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    1 year ago

    Nice to see that even here - a shitposting forum - whenever anybody posts anything negative about America, yanks can’t handle it.

    • Trek@union.place
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      I love how it’s full of people whining about having left reddit to escape this shit like bruh this is the fediverse

  • S_H_K@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    They made it a business. How many places in the world have private incarceration facilities?

  • Hikiru@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    I’ve heard some prisons have minimum prisoner requirements, which is incredibly fucked up

  • eltimablo@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    1 year ago

    How can America have 25% of the world’s prison population of the entire country doesn’t make up even 10% of the world’s population?

    • ilikekeyboards@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      -be the “first in the world” -everywhere you go yell “USA! USA! USA!” -sparking people’s curiosity and they look into your garden -they find a dystopian horror show, a land where billionaires are kings, millions deprived of liberty, hundred millions depraved of healthcare, an ever increasing tumour of fascists group that wish for some women and minorities to have fewer rights

      -ohshit.jpg

      You can’t have the biggest running circus without everyone starring and complaining and debating.

      • BurtsBS@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Tell me you’ve learned everything you know about the US from 13 year olds online without telling me you learned everything you know from 13 year olds online.

        • pizzatime@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          he’s not wrong though. like, the mass shooting yesterday was something like the 340th so far this year? the place is fucking nuts

            • pizzatime@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              hmmm so what, only like 20 then? you’re right, that’s absolutely an acceptable amount of mass shootings in the first half of the year.

              totally normal and something every country experiences. my bad.

              • BurtsBS@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                And of those remaining “only like 20”, how many were random acts of violence?

                We’re so close to getting to the infinitesimally small statistical likelihood of this happening.

      • thisbenzingring@wirebase.org
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        See most places are bad but America should be better. It presents itself as the better. It does not always live up to that better and so those people who want us to be better keep reminding us we have a lot of work to do. I can tell you personally how horrible America can be but I don’t think you want to hear that from a Lakota.

      • ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        Hi. As a not American, I can say Americans get made fun of a lot by not Americans. We like to share these jokes with each other online, as not Americans also use the internet.

      • MostlyBirds@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        If you don’t want to hear about America being bad, don’t go to the same places as people who live in reality.

        • ElRompeCulo@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          1 year ago

          I don’t deny the problems with this country. I vote to try and make this country better. Seeing the same posts about how horrible this country is gets old after a while. A majority of Reddit and this site would agree with the flaws of the US. The people who really need to hear this stuff aren’t on here.

          • Machinist3359@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            Pointing out flaws in the country shouldn’t be seen as a personal attack or critique. Many of the victims of America are it’s citizens (e.g., the incarcerated).

            Nationalism just twists the government into our personal identity to manipulate us. Making fun of the government/system is healthy.

            This isn’t “Americans dumb” content, which attacks the actual citizens and understandably may weigh on someone.

            • magnetosphere@kbin.social
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              I’m extremely happy to see a real conversation happening. This is actually worth reading, and not just another idiotic shouting match.

            • DreamerOfImprobableDreams@kbin.social
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              There’s a difference between “America has serious problems,let’s get to work fixing them” and “America is inherently evil and can’t be saved (and you’re an idiot at best, a right-wing plant at worst for thinking otherwise)”. The former fires people up to start making progess, the latter shuts people down or causes them to tune out of politics altogether.

              And to be blunt, this particular meme feels like it’s falling more in the second category than the first, at least to me.

          • Yendor@reddthat.com
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            The thing is, America (many Americans anyway) are continually screaming at everyone online about how America is the best country in the world and everywhere else is a shithole - despite very few measures supporting that.

            If you insist on telling everyone you’re the best, when you have so many serious flaws, people are going to mock you for it.

          • LeZero@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            You mean you vote to feel better about yourself, to try to sweep any guilt or bad feeling under the rug, and you feel upset when you get reminded electoral politics means jackshit in the US (and in most liberal plutocraties)

          • DreamerofDays@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            I take it as “America has good ideals that it should live up to.”

            Might be pollyanna-ing… almost certainly am, but I’m trying to take this Independence Day to appreciate what we’ve got, what my ancestors came to this country for, and that the maintenance of it, and the realization of its ideals, is a lot of work we’ve got to do yet, and will always be with us.

        • BurtsBS@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          You mean don’t go to places where children spew nonsense their loser parents tell them because they also made the choice to be degenerate fucking bums their entire lives?

          Then when they’re middle age and still have nothing to show for it they attempt to influence the entire system to change despite not even being able to improve their own position in life?

          • MostlyBirds@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            Tell us more about how 60% of the population lives paycheck to paycheck because they’re just lazy, and not because they were born to the wrong parents in a shitty system that only rewards worthless cunts who succeed by stepping on the throats of the people who do all the work.

            • BurtsBS@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              Wait do you think people that do the work never receive the benefit and become wealthy?

              Are you completely unfamiliar with how most millionaires are made?

              Or are you just a useless communists that think capitalism is bad and this conversation just ends here.

    • pancakes@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      Ah yes, Germany and Sweden. The last bastions for criminals all around the world. Oh wait, I’m 6-7 times as likely to be murdered in the US then those two places (Source).

    • boonhet@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Sure. Definitely nothing to do with the fact that in your country, locking people up is SUPER profitable for prisons and a few other industries so certain institutions lobby to make sure more people keep getting locked up.