Liberal ideology is the free square at the center of the bingo card. It’s the world view almost all of us inherit from the various authority figures that we grow up around. Reflection, of any sort, can only take you away from it.
Starting from there, it takes years of difficult reflection before you can even contemplate the idea that universal housing, food security and education should be human rights, and that upsetting the status quo to achieve that is a worthwhile goal, and that subsequently using authority to defend those rights against fascists and bourgeois revanchists is morally justifiable.
I also understand that being ideologically liberal means living with extreme cognitive dissonance. They are raised to believe that racism is bad, and are given zero of the intellectual tools necessary to understand why majority-white-european states tend to be astronomically richer than the rest of the world, or why the situation is not improving, and therefore have nothing but racism and associated notions (corruption, evil china influence, etc) to explain it. Similarly they are raised to believe in merit, insisting that hard work and ingenuity are necessarily rewarded by capitalism, and yet have to live with endless examples of the exact contrary in every single sphere of life, up to and including a god damn cheeto beating the most credentialed game-player politician in history and becoming president of the United States of America. It goes on and on, and it cannot be good for the human brain.
When these people retreat into their mind palaces, plug their ears and yell CIA talking points at us, it’s hard for me to get mad or think less of them. I just feel sad. I just wish we could trephinate Marxism into these people’s head and skip past all of the hyper-conditioned defense mechanisms that USA regime propaganda has hammered into their heads.
That is all
I kind of agree in that I know a lot of normal well-intentioned people who have had the message that capitalism is the only possible way to organize society hammered into them, even if they know it sucks, that they don’t have any hope for a better world. They just hope to keep themselves and their families from slipping off the slippery rungs of the ladder into poverty and despair.
Those people aren’t arguing with us on Lemmy, however. All the NATO-loving debatebros on here can face the wall as far as I’m concerned
It took me awhile to break from liberal beliefs and into more Marxist thought. There was a post earlier about how federation is good so more people get exposed to these ideas and I agree.
Hexbear has a “coolness” factor that other Lemmy users don’t understand and can be off-putting to them. I’d also like to point out that a lot of people on Hex have differing views. While generally all leftist, there are some issues that I disagree on with some users, but I’m not going to argue against them that much because of unity.
And that’s what this is about, unity. Getting people who are well meaning, maybe just un-informed over to our side. To shift the window over to the left so that we can all begin having sensible discussions that aren’t just more status quo.
Starting from there, it takes years of difficult reflection before you can even contemplate the idea that universal housing, food security and education should be human rights
It does? I feel like I figured that out when I was like 4 and I was continually confused when people told me they shouldn’t be until I came back to solidly knowing they should.
Most of us did, then it was conditioned out of us.
Starting from there, it takes years of difficult reflection before you can even contemplate the idea that universal housing, food security and education should be human rights, and that upsetting the status quo to achieve that is a worthwhile goal, and that subsequently using authority to defend those rights against fascists and bourgeois revanchists is morally justifiable.
It’s really not that hard at all. Illiterate peasants throughout history have figured it out relatively quickly, educated Libs with access to the world wide web really have no excuse. It’s really just that taking the jump to actual leftism, and not baby-ass “I’m super progressive, I voted for Biden and mildly opposed the Iraq War” leftism, requires a bit hard work, courage, and a willingness to say and do things that will likely make you look like the bad guy to other normies. It’s a combination of laziness and cowardice keeping them from it.
Yea, the difference is that illiterate peasants were clearly getting the bottom end of the stick, while the (presumably) Western libs that OP is talking about on average benefit from global capitalism
No excuses are really needed
I was born with a silver spoon up my ass and I figured it out.
Also, things are on the decline in the US and if anything it’s just made the Libs even Libber. I had an easier time pilling Libs under Obama than Trump. I really just think they are a bunch of cowards who really can’t muster the courage to challenge their “vibes”.
