Skop serves as vice-president and director of medical affairs for the national anti-abortion research group Charlotte Lozier Institute and is a member of the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists. She is also a plaintiff in a US supreme court lawsuit seeking to revoke the Food and Drug Administration’s approval of the key abortion drug mifepristone, which she argues is “dangerous” despite years of evidence showing the drug is safe. She has authored a number of research papers that were ultimately retracted for misleading errors.
We can’t beat far right extremism with moderate politics.
There’s no compromising with people who lie and say anything to get what they want.
I’d argue that we can beat them from any position, as long as we do it in unity.
We also have to overcome gerrymandering, which SCOTUS just said is legal (as long as the GOP pretends to disenfranchise people for political reasons rather than racial ones). At the same time, we need to overwhelm voter suppression with enough genuine votes that it isn’t effective. Same with the Electoral College, the illegitimate Supreme Court, and the Senate, which gives outsized influence to big, empty Red States and fight against the unlimited flow of dark money in politics…
It can all still be done, but we have to all vote, donate, and volunteer, as well as be unified as you said. My big unity wish is messaging. No one can compete with Fox News because Right Wing media is very good at staying on-message and we’re a “big tent” party, but still; we have to be better at it…
None of that is going to happen. The empire would rather fall. - History.
I’m sure the slaves would “never be freed”, women would “never work”, black people and woman would never vote", black people would “never have equal rights”, etc.
Don’t let history get in the way of history.
I would argue that while you’re correct you’re not 100% correct and overlooking a lot of nuances in history. If you want to look at it like that the empire fractured into two, there was a war and the winning side engulfed the other. None of the things you bring up as examples were accomplished with just unity and lobbying, all of these causes involved violence or the threat of violence. Don’t go over simplifying history, a lot of people died for those rights. I by no means am advocating for these liars or violence but history has proven liars like this can be very dangerous and should not be laughed off.
Did you even pay attention to the comment I was responding to? Like how am I suppose to anticipate my response being applied to a completely different argument
That’s why I did it! Did you read the comment you were responding to? Being applied to a completely different argument?
Not with that attitude.
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gerrymandering is already illegal.
Racial gerrymandering is, but you can say you’re drawing districts specifically to help your party win and that’s not illegal. At least not at the federal level. Your state might have better rules.
https://www.npr.org/2023/05/17/1173469584/partisan-gerrymandering-explainer-north-carolina
And with armaments.
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And with big sticks.
Mifepristone, which we have known is safe for over 40 years, is apparently too dangerous but a 9 year old giving birth is a-okay how this quack.
That’s what I mean
They 100% know it’s safe.
But they do t like that it’s legal for other reasons that they know don’t have plausible deniability.
So they claim (against all science) it’s dangerous, and count on extremists judges to pretend they believe it and outlaw it on that premise.
No amount of factual evidence about the safety of the drug will change any of their actions, because they don’t give a single fuck if it’s safe or not.
Moderates always fall for the trap and take them at their word. Which is insane, and at this point it seems safe to say the reason is they have a lot of the same donors, and part of the strings to that money is going along with the dog and pony show even tho everyone involved already knows what the result will be.
They do know that. However, a woman (a fucking doctor nonetheless) who thinks it’s safe for a 9 year old yo give birth is not playing with a full deck of cards. She honestly should have her license revoked. That is straight batshit.
Other things they try to lure moderates with:
“European countries ban it after 12 weeks!”
They of course fail to mention that their 12 weeks is closer to our 14/15 weeks, that you can get one at any hospital, you don’t have to pay for it, and exceptions for that ban are not hard to come by.
“Babies can survive after 21 weeks!”
One. One child made it at 21 weeks. At 22 weeks it’s a bit better but still extremely unlikely. At 23 weeks there is a 25% chance and at 24 weeks there is a 50% chance. But the percentage of fetuses aborted after 20 weeks is 1%. The vast majority of those are due to issues with the fetus like it will die an excruciating death shortly after birth or the woman will die which is absolutely now a thing in states with restrictive abortion laws. The few where that isn’t the case likely could not get one earlier due to expenses or lack of availability in the area or restrictive laws requiring multiple visits.
“Fetuses have a heart beat at four weeks.”
A rhythmic electrical pulse is not a heart beat.
“Women use abortion as contraception!”
Abortion is no walk in the park and not cheap. Much easier to simply use birth control which is what the vast majority of women do.
Most Americans do not want unrestricted abortion!
Yeah. Most people ones do not want unrestricted surgery. Not surprising. The vast majority (~85%) were fine with Roe v Wade staying in place and states only being able to pass laws after the point of viability.
“Jesus hates abortion!”
First, his name is Yeshua. Second, an abortifacient is prescribed for a suspected cheating woman in the Bible. Southern Baptists dios Not even hice a shit about abortion until the late 70s.
The overall goal is obvious to all of us who recognize that access to abortion is necessary. But be on the lookout for anti abortion advocates who try to seem moderate. They are not.
This message is not directed directly at you but if you happen to come across these arguments, these are some easy responses to point out their bullshit. Also mention that since the end of Roe there have been about 65k pregnancies from rape in the 14 states with near total bans on abortion. Super great. /s
I don’t understand how one can be a woman and carry so much hatred for your own gender.
“I behaved the correct way, and this did not happen to me. If everyone else did the same as me, they wouldn’t suffer. Since their suffering is preventable, they cannot complain and must suck it up.”
“See? I’m on your side. Treat me better than you treat them, please.”
Source: live in a red US state and have talked to a few conservative women and minorities
You’re forgetting the ones who had abortions, but 30 years later regret it because they imagine it would have made their life better if they had the kid.
They think they’re “saving” the next generation, when really they have no idea what their lives would have been like if they had their own kid.
Kids are a huge change in lifestyle, and they’re just think of.missed positives and not the missed negatives.
It’s just how our brains work. Same as with the lockdown curbing how bad COVID was, because we avoided the worst negatives, people think they werent a possible result. And just look back at the potential positives they could have experienced.
They’re obviously not right. But that line of thinking is pretty normal.
If we want to fix the problem, we need to properly identify what’s causing it.
Lots of time it’s just our brains working exactly as they evolved to work.
Oof I forget about these. Or just the plain hypocrites that publicly shame abortion but will secretly get one (or have their partner get one) and go right back to shaming abortion. Or substitute any other thing they have a moral objection to, really.
Their own situation called for it, and it is fine because they are “right.” But those other people, it is not fine because they are “wrong.”
Sure but I mean… Wouldn’t you want to try to make the world a better place in general? Why do we have to force some people into a suffering underclass?
Cause sky daddy “told” them to.
Don’t you dare point out that sky daddy’s son said the opposite and hung out with whores, poors, and the sick with sores.
whores, poors, and the sick with sores
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But what genre? My money would be on either garage Ska-punk or folksey Americana
I think punk is right on and also bluegrass
When one person stands up by themselves or with only a small group around them, the powers that be drop the hammer on them and everyone who was sympathetic and might have supported them gets scared back into line
That’s the thing: they think that it is better. They think the reason these people are suffering is because they aren’t doing things the right way.
If 9 year old girls could hold an aspirin between their legs, they wouldn’t get pregnant. They are sluts so naturally they should give birth because that will make it better.
These people have zero empathy as to the real world challenges that women face. When you ask conservatives why they don’t adopt, they say “I have my own children” which tells you everything you need to know: adopted children are not really theirs.
It’s not about children. It’s about punishment. That 9 year old needs to be punished for having sex.
It’s maddening how far they have gotten in the political world.
If 9 year old girls could hold an aspirin between their legs, they wouldn’t get pregnant. They are sluts so naturally they should give birth because that will make it better.
This is the craziest thing to me. Babies as punishment for “moral failing.”
A baby is not and should never be a punishment. Anyone who thinks a baby is a punishment shouldn’t be having babies or forcing others to have babies.
I think, at the surface, conservatives don’t say this. They say a child is a blessing, etc.
But when you get down deeper, past their rhetoric, they definitely equate babies as a punishment.
“I suffered, and so should you. Stop complaining!”
It really does come down to this for a lot of folks. Anyone that tries to fix it are considered “whiners” to these folks.
that’s so fucking ugly, damn.
Misogyny is subversive. It’s capable of being internalized. It is consistent. The ideology behind it is enforced in subtle ways throughout the entirety of our lives. We become accustomed to it, expectant of it. We are trained to accept it and be tolerant of it. Misogyny can seem beneficial to certain women, and those will readily accept it and become ignorant of the consequences it has for them.
Misogyny also doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It exists alongside white supremacy, xenophobia, queerphobia, ableism, classism, and other forms of social oppression. Women can identify with and ideologically support any of those systems of oppression. All of them interconnect, though. Each system is built partially on the foundations of the others. They all affect each other. Being a white supremacist doesn’t make you a misogynist, but those 2 things are ideologically consistent with each other. White supremacists tend to support misogynists and vice versa.
When we realize Misogyny not simply as a singular concept on its own, but rather a socially constructed one interconnected with different systems of power - it’s actually very conceivable for women to be misogynists and actively participate in the oppression of women. They are able to firstly distance themselves from the group being oppressed using logic like “I’m an oppresser, I am not oppressed.” Then they are welcomed into the greater sphere of social bigotry and systems of power. White supremacists uphold patriarchal households and white mothers, for instance. Xenophobic households uphold women and mothers from their nation and who share their religion. They are upheld not as a form of empowerment but as an example by which to compare others.
I can’t say exactly why this woman specifically has chosen to actively participate in the subjugation of women, but it is a predictable phenomenon and, unfortunately, part of the strategy of fascism.
This reminds me of the many stories I have heard of family gatherings; the women all prep food and cook while the men drink beers and watch sports or talk about their work. Men who tried to help their wives in the kitchen got weird looks, and women who didn’t feel comfortable playing the role of tradwife got scolded and shunned.
The misogyny is ingrained in those families, so much so that the women do not recognize it and instead take pride in their ‘role.’ It brings them comfort to exist in a space where their contribution is both defined and ‘valued,’ despite the ‘role’ existing as a result of misogyny. Attempts to change these expectations are seen as undermining the importance of their ‘roles’ and thus treated like affronts to their contributions.
And so the cycle continues…
Yeah that doesn’t fly in my household. I do all the cooking for gatherings, yes, doing as much mise en place as possible, not wrecking the kitchen but towards the end always of course there is mess. Then I make myself a drink and ask the guys to do a round of dishes/cleaning. Then we eat and then someone else does the dishes and cleans the kitchen.
So yes there are “roles” but it’s more like shifts, I’m very good at cooking but a disinterested housekeeper at best so my husband handles most of the kitchen cleaning. I just try not to be an asshole and completely wreck the kitchen while cooking.
Wave enough money under some people’s noses and they’ll say or do whatever you want. True with doctors as anyone else. There’s a reason why famous people can get all the prescription drugs they care to.
Surely that can’t be the case for all I hope. That helps me understand one case, but roughly half the country is women. And these people are in positions that have influence.
You would think that because there’s so many more women not in these positions that we could do something about it.
Sorry, I thought you were just talking about this lady. For many of them- their minds have been poisoned by religion from infancy.
Jesus fucking christ, has she an iota of empathy, let alone any idea of the consequences of a term pregnancy to the physiology of a NINE YEAR OLD?
Leaves me wondering if she’s not a closet pedo.
The issue with the high-paying medical profession is that it attracts 2 kinds of people: nice people who want to do good and help people, and self-centered people who want to feel powerful and in-control while making a bunch of money. The latter are the reason for shit like this. I’d bet that she doesn’t care about children at all, and just wants to feel powerful, while raking in the cash from rich people looking to use her license to validate their terrible behavior.
People in the first category seem to be getting pushed out of the profession, to the extent that many good doctors remain so despite their professional role which had shifted away from being a healer toward being a vehicle that huge hospital conglomerates exploit to goose more profits out of sick people
Have a friend that’s finishing med school and going to residency this summer. Everything about it is insane and they all know it and power through. If you get accepted you’re moving around more than the military and paying through the nose for the privilege while seemingly half the “teachers” (working doctors) are worked to death and the other half are completely checked out.
Leaves me wondering if she’s not a closet pedo.
Anyone promoting or supporting child pregnancy are either a pedophile or a pedophile supporter
edit: added “or supporting” after “promoting”
has she an iota of empathy
Absolutely not. That is the fundamental issue.
What is wrong with people? Anyways, here’s the facts:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35675595/
Compared with deliveries to patients aged 20-54 years, deliveries to patients aged 11-14 years were associated with increased risk for severe maternal morbidity (aOR 1.73, 95% CI 1.49-2.00), hypertensive disorders of pregnancy (aOR 1.79, 95% CI 1.71-1.88), and postpartum hemorrhage (aOR 1.37, 95% CI 1.27-1.49).
I can’t even find data for kids as young as 9, because it’s such a rare and obviously bad situation.
I thought 11 was the earliest documented?
Five and a half.
Jesus H Christ…
And she’s still alive (90) now, that’s wild.
Imagine being 90 and having an 85 year old child…
Her son died of cancer as a young adult. I have wondered if the abdominal xray while she was pregnant contributed to that.
Which, horrifically, tells you how often it happens if it ended up in even one absolutely unbelievable pregnancy at that age.
No. Five, unfortunately.
Unironically saying “if she’s old enough to bleed she’s old enough to breed” which is a pedophilic statement.
Between this and all of the child marriage laws Republicans fight for.
Pedophiles 🤝 Republicans
And they call trans people groomers
If they project any harder they’ll run IMAX out of business.
Woah. Even Saudi Arabia has doctors insist a 12yo “wife” to have an abortion. Amarica has been going downhill fast.
Is the Maternal Mortality Committee meant to increase the mortality rate during maternity? 🤨
I wonder whether or not she’s sociopathic enough to say that to the faces of the parents of a raped and pregnant 9-year-old.
Probably, and they’ll act confused when they get the shit beaten out of them by said parents.
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Right-wingers are terrible people. Right-wing Texans take that to the extreme.
As an outsider I have heard everything is bigger in Texas, that seems to include assholes
Well that bitch is an ugly flavour of stupid. Can’t you get your license revoked for employing alternative information? christians need to go back to being meek like the bible tells them to and stop acting like they can understand anything, when the bible tells them they can’t. No wonder fascism is on the rise, the fucking dipshits.
Religion is arrogance masquerading as humility.
alternative information
Lies. We can and should call them lies. It is deception.
A 9yo definitely does not have the hips for natural birth. Unless that doctor thinks that birth via caesarian section is safe, she’s full of shit.
“Abortion is against nature!”
Forces little girls to give birth via unnatural means…
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Wow, you really got everyone laughing with your shitty ass “(sarcasm)”.
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Boy, Doctor Who is gotten weird recently.
Texas Doctor Who would be the worst iteration
It would just be the Master. In one incarnation, he forced his wife to dress sexy and abused her regularly, he should feel right at home among Republicans.
He would go straight to 1865.
Wow.
I hope this woman tries to get he toast out of the toaster with a knife, only to be fatally electrocuted
How has her shit not been revoked spewing all this nonsense??? Or is it a state thing?
Yeah, isn’t there a review board for all licensed doctors?
John Oliver does an excellent episode on why this system is quite lackluster, you should check it out.
I had to stop watching his show. It was just too degrading to my mental well-being.
For a liberal he’s pretty damn good. Him and Jon Stewart are the best in the mainstream game if ya ask me
Oh he’s a treasure I just refuse to consume topical media that’s not in podcast format. If I’m sitting and watching I’m doing two things wrong at once.
Those are at the state level
It looks like she stopped practicing last year in order to focus on her pro-life political stance. I personally know one physician (my partner worked with them previously) that works at this practice… And they’re not a right-wing nut. Ingrid on the other hand…
https://ne-obgyn.com/dr-ingrid-skop-retirement-announcement/
Define “safely”. Births are risky at the best of times.
Does she mean “it has happened”? Or is she suggesting it’s actually safe?
