Donald Trump was ridiculed Saturday after attending what his campaign called a Black roundtable at a Detroit church — with photos showing a largely white audience.
Trump’s campaign reached out to the 180 Church to set up the event at which attendees asked a handful of questions before bursting into a rendition of Happy Birthday.
The evangelical church is in the heart of Detroit’s west side and has a mainly Black congregation.
But photos caught by the media, and shared widely online, showed a lot of white people in the audience.
More images from reporters on various social media:
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Oh my god, I saw a meme about this and I didn’t think it was really a photo from the event.
God he sucks
I thought it was fake too
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-paper-shoe/
If you’d put this in a satire movie circa 2014 people would have called it too over the top.
I thought it was disrespectful to wear your hat in church. Huh.
It’s historically disrespectful for (men) to wear a hat indoors in quite a few buildings. That guy there looks like he’d be old enough to know better.
And iirc the historical reason it’s not disrespectful for women to keep their hat on is that hats were much more integrated into women’s hairdos. So, it’d be a whole production of removing hat pins, re-arranging curls, etc.
That might be part of it and seems practical. I think another was that men taking off a helmet/lifting a visor was a thing - similar to (possible?) origins of the handshake - military men signifying they mean no harm.
Norms change over time - used to be, until JFK, there was even more rituals conformed to around men and hats until he came along. JFK was apparently blamed for men mostly abandoning the hat, but apparently that was building before he came along…in today’s world, I don’t know that it makes a whole lot of sense for something decorative like a hat to have all these rules only apply to one gender…might have been a time when someone got the vapors over a guy not removing his hat when he entered a library, church, etc…but I suppose that sort of thing is fading nearly daily. People don’t always wear a suit and tie everywhere, either…
While it doesn’t really exude “classy” vibes to have some guy sitting in a church wearing a hat, or, even worse, a hat with a slogan most Americans associate with a hate group, but if violating fading fashion norms was all these people were doing, I doubt too many would care.
Yeah hats went way down long before JFK like pre WWII
That’s an interesting theory but there are many churches where women are supposed to put on a hat especially for church.
Probably it has more to do with this rather ridiculous passage from Corinthians:
Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. Source 1 Corinthians 11: 2-16
Wait so is this saying hair counts as a hat?
No. If you have hair, it needs to be covered. If you don’t cover it, then you ought to shave it. But women shouldn’t shave their heads. So they should wear hats. But if you don’t have hair, you shouldn’t wear a hat.
“that guy”? The are dozens of them… This isn’t a church service, it’s clearly a cult service.
That cropping. Seriously I thought there was a hair on my phone.
Stop, I can only get so erect.
Happy cake day!
Thank you! Does your app show?
Oh definitely - even in that pic above there are several, but I was talking about the guy in the red shirt near the front in the pic above.
It is.
From what I remember, it is
It’s never been about Christianity. It’s really a new religion - the only parts of the Bible they know are the anti-queer parts.
As a Christian, it disgusts me how these people are pretending
The guy wouldn’t even take his RED HAT in the church.
Looks like there were several men in there wearing hats. The hat “rules” don’t apply to women, but I see a few women wearing that hat, too.
I saw someone wearing a Maga hat at their kids highschool graduation this past week. I just can’t fathom how someone is so cringe that they can’t put politics aside to be happy for their kid.
They can’t put aside who they are
Would be interesting to find out how many were paid to attend also.
Ask Alex Jones. I hear he’s an expert on the subject.
If that’s the case, they obviously don’t want to hire black people.
In a different article, a report spoke to 8 black people in attendance. Of the 8 only 1 lived in the Detroit area and none were members of that church.
In the picture posted below,I counted at least 12 lol
why would he expect white people to not follow him in there
Trump arrived at the event bragging about meeting the church’s pastor, Lorenzo Sewell, but then failed to recognize that the man was sitting beside him.
Clown.
It is funny to see him shout about lies and scam when there is publicly available evidence on the contrary.
Literally since day one.
Remember the origin of “Alternative Facts?”. It was Kellyanne Conway on Meet the Press Sunday after Trumps inauguration. She was claiming that despite the rain, crowds were bigger than Obama’s, even though photos and transit statistics say otherwise.
Really set the tone for the rest of the administration.
Oh well. Ignorance is strength.
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You said the joke! Go away.
This was deleted before I arrived. Can I hazard a guess that the ‘joke’ was something like ‘they identify as X’?
X being black in this case
You got it
This joke only makes sense to you because you have zero understanding of what is meant by people when they use this phrase. All you have to do is spend 30 mins or less listening to the perspective of the other side and you will have the context necessary to realize this “joke” is nonsensical.
You won’t though.
I’m confused… are people so upset that there’s White people who live in SE Michigan and they happen to go to a building to see Trump?
Also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izFU9tLIbao
What makes you think anyone is upset? Ridicule comes not from people being upset about something, but thinking that this is the dumbest thing they’ve seen in quite a while. Getting ridicule should tell you you need to be a bit more introspective about what you’re doing. And since this is Trump we’re talking about here, we know that shithead isn’t going to be introspective about anything, so we just point out the irony that Trump claims he has “very strong support, so very strong” with the Black community, but can’t seem to find a single Black person to put in his photos of the event.
I guess the only option here is to literally Youtube, “Blacks Trump”. The general consensus is that Blacks are tired of being fooled by Democrats. They should have taken Malcolm X more seriously /shrug
The general consensus is that a convicted felon and sex offender and neofascist traitor should not be anywhere near the white house.
Take notice, all those Democrats that went after Trump, more than likely when Trump becomes president, he’s going to ram it up their angus. And most of the country will support their demise.
You’re saying Trump will go after people who opposed him politically if he gains power?
Where have I heard of things like that before…?
Where have I heard of things like that before…?
Germany in 1933. Which did not have a 246 year long culture of democracy and freedom like America does.
Which did not have a 246 year long culture of democracy and freedom like America does.
I don’t understand what you’re getting at here. America has been a good boy long enough that it’s allowed to be a little fachy now?
Take notice, all those tribalistic rightwing cultists who are obsessed with their feelings because they have inferiority complexes. You have a mental illness. Mature adults aren’t obsessed with people’s feelings. Neither yours nor mine.
As for Treason Trump, his neofascist War on Democracy is going against 246 years of American culture. Convicted Sex Offender Loser Trump picked the worst country in the world to try to take people’s freedom away from them.
Malcolm X: possibly the most famous American Muslim besides Muhammad Ali. A man who changed his name to el-Hajj Malik el-Shabazz. A fierce advocate for black liberation and self-determination
Some clown in 2024: I think he would’ve liked the ‘ban all Muslims’ and ‘look at my African-American’ guy
… I’m Muslim. And Malcolm X was right all along.
Instead of using YouTube for guidance, why don’t you talk to your Imam on Friday. The answer you get will be 1000 times more compassionate, practical and in-line with what your belief systems are than watching ‘Blacks for Trump’ videos.
It really sounds like you’re brainwashed by online content if you’re a pro-Trump muslim when Trump is the most anti-Muslim President in history. He literally tried to stop all Muslims entering the United States and then changed it to ‘countries which happen to be muslim’ when he was told it was illegal and discriminatory. The list of Islamophobic Trump quotes is endless, and if you’re going to search the internet for anything I suggest you start there.
Unless you’re a multi-millionaire or your last name is Trump, this guy is not your friend. He is nobody’s friend. Please stop caping for him on the internet because you’re only hurting yourself
lol don’t worry about my deen, son. If I see bs, just like any other user here on lemmy, I’m going to call it out. At the very least question it to get more context and go from there.
I’m not worried, as a Muslim, what Trump thinks about Muslims. However, Trump is the only running candidate that will fix the chit show that Biden has given us. And don’t worry, I’m not putting the full blame on Biden… we had previous presidents that have neglected its people and done more harm to the U.S. than terrorists have.
Name the specific policy failures that Biden has made which you believe are ‘a shitshow’ and ‘done more harm to the U.S. than terrorists’ and then tell us exactly what Trump has said he will do to fix them
That’s not the general consensus
As to why Black Americans are leaving the Democratic party? Okay, then what is the general consensus? Apparently my Google’s search algorithm is bs.
The general consensus as to why white, black, and all kinds of Americans are leaving the Republican Party is because Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump is a threat to democracy and the rule of law and repeatly slanders our great country and attacks our longstanding core values every f*cking time he loses court cases and elections.
Riiiight… good luck with all that.
Good luck with what? Maintaining our 246 year record of democracy and the rule of law? Did you really think proud Americans would let some petty loser and con artist come along after hundreds of years and steal that from us?
There is not a consensus that people are leaving the democratic party.
Also, polls only give you statistics about folk who will actually take a poll or reply to a pollster.
Trump’s side marketed going to a black church and having thousands turn out to support him
It was an attempt to sway the black demographic into supporting him because other blacks do. The pictures paint a different story than what was advertised
And a literal video… a few videos debunks this trash. So I’m curious, when did you realize you were a victim of mass hypnosis?
The video shows a “black church” filled with white people. So they either went to a mixed church (that leans white) and called it a black church, or they went to a black church and the majority of people who wanted to go hear him speak were white anyways.
So hes either a liar trying to make it look like black people like him, or black people find him so offensive they wouldnt even go to their own church to hear him speak, allowing the space to be filled with white people.
I suppose there is the possibility black people were prevented from going, and white people were purposefully placed into the crowds but im not sure who would gain from that.
Agreed! Why are people so upset that Trump took over a Black Church while Promoting how Black People love him while talking to an All White crowd?
Except it wasn’t an all White crowd. The Youtube video I posted of that event shows a different story than this pitiful waste of time article.
You’re right. There were 8 black people in attendance, but only 1 of them lived in the area.
If they have to bus in black people to go this black church, how many of the white people do you really think lived in that area?
I dunno what about this claim seems factual to you guys… it’s like you’re grasping at straws.
https://ktvz.b-cdn.net/2024/06/Trump-church-Detroit-CNN.jpg
You guys are getting played by the media. They’re providing images at certain angles and certain parts of the building instead of giving you a zoomed out version. I can’t even find anything to provide a zoomed out version. There’s also photos that are taken before the event began that are being used as proof. It’s pretty embarrassing.
It’s like that CIA persuasion tactic they used, where they bring in 19 CIA agents, pretending to not be CIA or in any way related… and the 20th person is some random (the test subject). They pull up a square, all 19 agents say it’s a triangle… and the 20th person, the one that’s getting tested, has no other option but to be persuaded that it is a triangle, not the actual square that their eyes can clearly see.
It’s a square. Not a triangle.
You just posted a heavily cropped and compressed picture of a handful of black people, whereas there are pictures in this thread showing wide shots of hundreds of white people. What are you trying to prove here?
They’re providing images at certain angles and certain parts of the building instead of giving you a zoomed out version. I can’t even find anything to provide a zoomed out version.
This guy lol. Completely ignores every wide shot available of the event, complains there are no wide shots, then uses a tight cropped photo from something. Then goes on about some cia conspiracy.
How do you come up with this crap? Lol
Is it fake media? From the mainstream?
Well it’s kind of interesting that social media like TikTok and Telegram tends to challenge the mainstream narrative of both sides. I’m very wary of anything from mainstream media, honestly.
Ok guy. You have fun in your little world. Peace.
No, it’s more that it is another obvious failed attempt at exploiting an image. Remember all those white folk holding placards saying “Blacks for Trump” at rallies? Or, holding a bible (upsidedown) after he stormed a protest to a church (putting his secret service detail in a sweat).
You need to take a peek at what’s going on beyond the projection. It’s pretty obvious.
That video shows like 70 % to 80 % of the people beeing white. How is are you calling this fake news and then post a link that literally proves the point of the article??
I wanted to find out why the fuck they invited him:
“For him to have a community conversation, I thought it was an opportunity to be able to really give the least of these, the disenfranchised and marginalized, an opportunity to have a voice at the table because typically we’re on the menu,” Sewell said. “If you come to Grand River, if you walk through our community, you will see, quite frankly, that it’s desolate. … (Trump campaign officials) didn’t want to talk to people that had high prestige and high power positions. They wanted to talk to the least of these.”
And it’s not like he supports trump or hates Biden:
“I let (the Trump campaign) know clearly that I don’t endorse any candidate,” Sewell said. “I’m a pastor. I can’t trade, my spiritual influence for political influence.”
In an op-ed on the digital divide published last year in the Free Press, Sewell praised Democratic elected officials such as Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris for their infrastructure bill. At 180 Church, he and other leaders created a computer lab and offer classes for adult literacy, computer training and resume-writing, Sewell said.
People have serious issues and want to be heard, but Biden is too busy dining with George Clooney in California than campaigning in Michigan…
And like, am I the only one that forgets Hillary’s victory lap and focus on big donors instead of boots on the ground campaigning being one of the reason we already got stuck with trump for four years?
Why are we just doing it again? This is 2016 all over but people are too scared of hurting Biden if he continues that they wont ring an alarm bell.
Edit:
Someone finally gave me some info
After a NAACP speech in May he stopped by a local business in Detroit
We need more of that, glad to hear he’s doing some already
People have serious issues and want to be heard, but Biden is too busy dining with George Clooney in California than campaigning in Michigan…
Biden with George Clooney in California:
oh no, sorry. That’s in Warren Michigan in Feb 2024 source
Biden with George Clooney in California:
oh no, sorry. Thats in Detroit Michigan in May 2024
Biden with George Clooney in California:
oh no, sorry. Thats in Michigan where he was supporting Union workers in Sept 2023 source
And like, am I the only one that forgets Hillary’s victory lap and focus on big donors instead of boots on the ground campaigning being one of the reason we already got stuck with trump for four years?
Why are we just doing it again?
Err, if your memory is anything to go by…we’re not? You’re painting this false narrative as a strawman saying Biden hasn’t been in Michigan and he was there LAST MONTH!
Rofl. Way to turn a thread on Trump getting caught faking an outreach to the black voter in a black church into an anti Biden/Harris smear.
BECAWSE BOTH SIDE BAAAAAADDDDD
Damn right! The GOP wants to overthrow 240 years of democracy and Dems have been known to use the wrong brand of mustard.
It’s why there here.
givesomefucks does this in every single thread that remotely mentions Trump or Biden. Either he’s got an agenda, or absolutely no life. Or both, the two aren’t mutually exclusive. I find their constant attempts at division to be exhausting to read.
givesomefucks does this in every single thread that remotely mentions Trump or Biden
Linkerbaan is the same way. It’s so obvious they have an agenda.
Just fucking admit it. You want trump to be president. I see your bullshit in every thread. Fucking admit it and stop pretending to be doing anything besides supporting fascism.
Biden and recently Harris have been to Detroit and he will probably be back before then.
Trump is endorsedby convicted felon and former mayor Kwame. A person who literally stole money from the pockets of the poor to enrich his life in one of America’s poorest and wrecked city. Guess what? A Biden supporter became mayor and has helped give Detroit hope and pride they haven’t had in a while.
So fuck Trump and fuck Kwame Kilpatrick.
This happens a lot unfortunately.
I’m not saying trump would be good, trump would be fucking terrible.
I’m saying he’s doing a better job at voter outreach, and the quoted comments illustrate how low of a bar Biden needs to clear to get voters to vote for him.
Biden and recently Harris have been to Detroit and he will probably be back before then.
Can you link when Biden was there?
The only thing I’m getting was hubknobbing with the wealthy at an EV show where he got to drive an electric Corvette and that was like two years ago
If he has actually been doing voter outreach in Detroit this cycle, I’d love to hear about it. Would make me feel a lot better he’s actually going to be at trump.
Edit:
Kwame Kilpatrick
Had to Google him, he’s a disgraced former mayor of Detroit that trump let out of jail.
He still owes Detroit millions, I’m not sure why his endorsement of trump matters to (or surprises) anyone.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Kilpatrick
Although he is a good example of what “blue no matter who” gets us. Everyone seems to have hated him immediately, but it was him or a Republican so he could do whatever he wanted for years…
If you didn’t have bad faith, you’d have no faith at all
What does any of this have to do with Biden?
See, both sides bad
Can you link when Biden was there?
Biden was in Detroit on May 19.
Hello, Detroit. My name is Joe Biden, and I’m a lifetime member of the NAACP. (Applause.)
He also visited Saginaw, MI in March.
During the President’s visit, Saginaw area residents Hurley Coleman III and his son 13-year-old Hurley Coleman IV got the chance to have a personal conversation with the President.
And Warren, MI in February.
President Joe Biden chatted with a friendly union crowd inside a United Auto Workers hall in Michigan on Thursday
Again, I ask you, since you hate Biden so much, who is viably capable to win November rust’s in the ru bing right now as an alternative?
All you need to do is name someone that has a fair to good chance of winning the White House.
One name. That’s ALL you need to do.
Otherwise, just stop man. Because constantly spreading bullshit about someone when the focus isn’t even on them is clearly illustrating your purpose here.
Got called out for your bullshit here, I see. Biden is spreading it around, as other posters have said, touring this massive country of 300+ million fucking people as best as one man possibly can. And while I’m not thrilled with everything he’s done, I’m still voting for him. Why? Because it’s the best thing to do. I should do it. And so should you. Fuck off with the bullshit already. November is a choice between two visions for America. One gets us in line with other countries by reining in Student Loan payments, improving our infrastructure, and generally making progress fast enough to affect us in this lifetime, while not giving the Right extra motivation to go hate-vote our guys and gals out, and the Centre more motivation to stay home, vote third party, or even join the Right in voting our guys and gals out. The other…is fucking Project 2025. Go look that shit up if you don’t know about it. Apparently 2/3rds of the country doesn’t realise how much of a threat it really is.
I don’t expect a civil answer but:
If he has actually been doing voter outreach in Detroit this cycle, I’d love to hear about it. Would make me feel a lot better he’s actually going to be at trump.
Can you provide a source for him doing voter outreach in Detroit then?
I tried your link, but that’s some blog thing. Not a source for Biden in Detroit.
Edit:
Seriously, I’d be really really happy to hear about it…
I don’t know why you think I’m trying to offend Biden by saying this would help his campaign. If someone does provide a link about recent campaigning in Detroit (or any other poor disenfranchised area). I’d be a lot less worried he’s gonna be able to beat Trump.
I don’t know why so many people think questioning Biden’s campaign strategy means I want him to lose.
I don’t know why so many people think questioning Biden’s campaign strategy means I want him to lose.
It probably doesn’t help that you had this interaction I’m replying to 50 minutes ago while ignoring this reply to you from 13 hours ago? (link and pictures below)
https://lemmy.ml/post/16961097/11704724
Apparently I’ve blocked that account at some point in the last year.
So I never see anything that account says.
I’ve got a couple instances blocked too. But with a blocked instance you see comments but don’t get notifications.
Like, you’re from lemmy.ml, and I blocked that instance a while ago. So if you reply, I won’t notice unless I happen to come back to this page and see it. I only noticed this one because someone else made another reply about the same time you did.
I didn’t know that would happen when I blocked .ml, I was just tired of accidentally wandering into a .ml sub. Kind of a happy surprise tho.
But my point is, don’t just assume what you see on Lemmy is what other people are seeing. Especially if they’re not your instance.
Fair, but I frankly find your original assertions rather thin given this evidence (which would likely have come up in a quick google search)
It makes it easy to believe that your goal is a Trump presidency, not fair criticism of Dems or Biden, regardless of whether this specific post was hidden from you. I doubt they did any deep sleuthing to come up with those photos and articles.
Edit: ddg search limited to 2024: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=biden+visits+michigan&t=ffab&df=2024-01-01..2024-06-17&ia=web
I use duckduckgo rather than Google.
You can try for yourself and see what happens when you search “Biden Detroit” it’s just from when he drove that EV Vette.
Now, had I narrowed the search down to only results from 2024, I probably would have seen that.
But I didn’t. I’m killing time when I have a free minute here and there. I assumed that it would put a recent visit on the top.
It makes it easy to believe that your goal is a Trump presidency
It could very well be that I’ve blocked the few that are on Lemmy, but I can’t remember the last time I saw a pro-trump comment on here.
Like, there was a conservative sub on another instance, but when a mod told me that accusing someone of racism was racist, I reported their comment for racism.
Because logically, accusing someone of racism for accusing someone of racism is still racism by their own rules.
I got a 3 day ban from my own instance for that somehow. Which seemed a little excessive for trying to prove a point. So obviously I blocked that community and don’t see it anymore.
But anyways, I think with the lack of actual trump supporters on Lemmy, people go looking for an argument. So when I talk about stuff like:
Biden doing ______ would help him win, he should do ______"
If I’m wrong and Biden has ever done _____ people want to turn it into some kind of “slam”.
There’s just not enough trumpets for people to argue with here.
People are just angry and want someone to take it out on.
Biden doing ______ would help him win, he should do ______"
In all seriousness, were these not your words?
People have serious issues and want to be heard, but Biden is too busy dining with George Clooney in California than campaigning in Michigan…
That whole blah blah blah George Clooney thing is damn near a quote of my maga brother in law, but setting that aside, I don’t really think that is the same tone as your madlib.
Edit: Quoted the wrong madlib.
Edit2: I’ve gone way deeper than I intended in this discussion. I think we get where each other stands, and that’s good enough!
People replying to you aren’t being petty, you carry yourself in a very aggressive way and I don’t think you realize it.
You made up a narrative without any evidence to back it up, people corrected you with references, but you ignore them because you’ve blocked any view that causes your blood pressure to rise.
People are responding to you like this because you present yourself absurdly and then defend it absurdly.
One of the few posters I honestly think is a troll, I’m just not sure if you realize it or not.
Thanks!
The name of the shop let me find an article
After a NAACP speech he stopped by a local business and did do some voter outreach
You’re welcome.
So is it that you don’t trust government sources?
Nope, but if you clicked the link it was just a transcript of what he said.
Which is important and usually better than an article
But I was specifically looking for information about the event, which a transcript doesn’t provide.
But at the top of the page, it does mention the name of the location. Which was enough for me to find the article.
People have serious issues and want to be heard,
That’s why Biden has spoken at dozens of churches.
but Biden is too busy dining with George Clooney in California than campaigning in Michigan…
[Trump tells billionaires he’ll keep their taxes low at $50 million fundraising gala]
Money?
