"Matrix" (a government connected federated messaging protocol, similar to discord in many ways)... is grappling with an overwhelming problem, where a substan...
Matrix is developed by a for profit entity, a group of venture capitalists and having a spec doesn’t mean everything. The way Matrix is designed is to force into jumping through hoops and kind of draw all attention to Matrix itself instead of the end result.
XMPP is the true and the OG federated and truly open solution that is very extensible. XMPP is tested, reliable, secure and above all a truly open standard and decentralized it just lacks some investment in better mobile clients.
What people fail to see is that XMPP is the only solution that treats messaging and video like email: just provide an address and the servers and clients will cooperate with each other in order to maintain a conversation. Everything else is just an attempt at yet another vendor lock-in.
People need to get this through their heads, XMPP is the only solution for their problems.
Instead of wasting money into making yet another protocol, closed system etc. what about just work on a cross platform XMPP client that actually supports everything and has a decent UI. For eg. iOS clients are all shit. Without decent clients and push notifications people won’t be using XMPP ever.
People need to get this through their heads, XMPP is the only solution for their problems.
Strongly disagree and this sounds like dangerous FUD to me. For one, there’s comparatively zero users across XMPP anyways, and it has a big problem with compatibility across different software packages. It also does nothing to help the problems stated in the video of massive droves of abusive content and server operators unknowingly hosting copies of it across the world. Then there’s the privacy and GDPR minefields that come with any decentralized/federated service.
. For one, there’s comparatively zero users across XMPP anyways, and it has a big problem with compatibility across different software packages.
This isn’t a problem, the problem is that we lack decent clients. XMPP is the most standardized thing ever, both the core thing and extensions are covered by RFCs but currently there isn’t much investment into creating solid clients.
server operators unknowingly hosting copies of it across the world.
Well, at least a properly configured XMPP server with the relevant extensions won’t be a metadata clusterfuck like Matrix is. Nor it will be centered around a spec and software made by a single for profit organization.
Then there’s the privacy and GDPR minefields that come with any decentralized/federated service.
Email is federated and nobody is complaining about it.
If it works for you that’s great but it won’t work for everyone. XMPP lacks coherency and is kind of a mess. Matrix isn’t perfect but at least there is a central direction. It also has companies that provide commercial services which is nice although I wouldn’t trust it in prod right now.
Matrix is developed by a for profit entity, a group of venture capitalists and having a spec doesn’t mean everything. The way Matrix is designed is to force into jumping through hoops and kind of draw all attention to Matrix itself instead of the end result.
XMPP is the true and the OG federated and truly open solution that is very extensible. XMPP is tested, reliable, secure and above all a truly open standard and decentralized it just lacks some investment in better mobile clients.
What people fail to see is that XMPP is the only solution that treats messaging and video like email: just provide an address and the servers and clients will cooperate with each other in order to maintain a conversation. Everything else is just an attempt at yet another vendor lock-in.
People need to get this through their heads, XMPP is the only solution for their problems.
Instead of wasting money into making yet another protocol, closed system etc. what about just work on a cross platform XMPP client that actually supports everything and has a decent UI. For eg. iOS clients are all shit. Without decent clients and push notifications people won’t be using XMPP ever.
Not to mention an XMPP server is lighter than even Conduit, let alone Synapse!
Strongly disagree and this sounds like dangerous FUD to me. For one, there’s comparatively zero users across XMPP anyways, and it has a big problem with compatibility across different software packages. It also does nothing to help the problems stated in the video of massive droves of abusive content and server operators unknowingly hosting copies of it across the world. Then there’s the privacy and GDPR minefields that come with any decentralized/federated service.
This isn’t a problem, the problem is that we lack decent clients. XMPP is the most standardized thing ever, both the core thing and extensions are covered by RFCs but currently there isn’t much investment into creating solid clients.
Well, at least a properly configured XMPP server with the relevant extensions won’t be a metadata clusterfuck like Matrix is. Nor it will be centered around a spec and software made by a single for profit organization.
Email is federated and nobody is complaining about it.
Email does not have a CSAM problem
XMPP sucks for me
If it works for you that’s great but it won’t work for everyone. XMPP lacks coherency and is kind of a mess. Matrix isn’t perfect but at least there is a central direction. It also has companies that provide commercial services which is nice although I wouldn’t trust it in prod right now.
Yeah, this is a problem. Cisco used to drive XMPP but right now with MS Teams and whatnot they kinda lost interest.
Both XMPP and Matrix support unencrypted communication, which is a huge unacceptable barrier to adoption by many orgs
If it is a public groupchat - why not?
Because then someone sends a DM and accidentally does it unencrypted. It just shouldn’t be possible. The risk is too great for many orgs