It becomes funnier and funnier to me as the US continually goes SANCTIONS! while completely forgetting that there are many other countries the sanctioned countries can trade with. It disrupts things for a bit, they find new trade partners, and the world moves on. The only way the US could sanction Russia would be by forming a blockade but even then good luck, you’d have to blockade China too.
It’s just what they have to do in this version of Cold War 2.0. Sanctions are an inevitable move and send more of a message than being effective.
Thing is that this only works when you sanction a few isolated countries. Once you reach a critical mass, then it’s just an alternate global economy. And that’s precisely what we’re seeing now happening with BRICS.
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I think so as well, the problem was that US saw USSR as an ideological threat from the very start so there was no possibility of this sort of cooperation. The main reason US decided to normalize relations with China was to try and prevent China from having good relations with the Soviets. So, perhaps this is the only way things could’ve worked out.
In the end, US made a huge miscalculation in underestimating China, and completely missed China outpacing them in every regard while being drunk on having defeated USSR which they saw as the only serious threat to their global hegemony.
in the case of China it forced them to make their own microchips which removes one major advantage the US held over them
I would even go as far as to say this was the only major remaining tech advantage the west had. China’s been outpacing the west in most areas of science and technology for a few years now. Chips were the one big piece of the puzzle and now China can make their own.
I think we may be at a point where there are more countries under US sanctions than not. 😂
While I don’t think we have quite reached that point yet, I do know that the vast majority of all world sanctions are imposed by the United States. It is close to 100% if you include sanctions imposed at the request of the United States.
Currently large swaths of Asia and Africa and a smattering in the Americas. A lot of those are against individuals rather than the country broadly, but it often has the same effect.
Right, and this is why dedollarization is taking off like wildfire. Nobody wants to use US financial system, but until recently it’s been the only game in town. Now that people see it’s possible to bypass it, there’s a lot of momentum to create an alternative trading system. I imagine the fact that members can’t sanction one another is what makes BRICS in particular so appealing.
US leaders are too old to think of something new fortunely.
there are many other countries the sanctioned countries can trade with
Can’t say for others, but the narrative regarding Russia (from Russian libs) was usually this:
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all those countries (USA, EU) can get things they get from us elsewhere no problem
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other countries can’t offer us as much as we get from USA/EU
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Russia doesn’t produce much useful anyway, just oil and gas
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“Safety and quality”
ah yes, when I think of western weapons manufacturing, I think of these two things. That’s why they can’t compare, because Moscow is cheating at weapons production.
Complete bullshit, always framing obvious failures of the system as “moral victories” it’s disgusting.
Can’t acknowledge their over profiteering (loot) from war so, it’s cheaper in Russia coz of ignoring safety standards bullshit.
US is fucked, more because it’s been completely sold to it’s ruling class that will let it bleed to death out of greed and for profit if it is ever in a war with Chinese or Russian state.
So first of all American liberals must try to wage and win a war with their real daddies (ruling class) first, before they should even think of going for the one with Russians or Chinese.
Probably that’s why they choose proxy wars now. Because historically they have lost each and every single direct war that their daddies waged and now they are setting the precedent in proxy ones too.
The quality part is what gets me. The west’s weapons have demonstrably been shown to be worse quality than Russian ones at this point. They’re just living in this fantasy where every sign that they are failing is actually proof that they are winning somehow.
Russia appears to have typed in OPERATION CWAL and SHOW ME THE MONEY at the start of the mission.
While I can believe Russian health and safety standards aren’t the best, I doubt very, very much that the $4–5,400 price difference per shell is spent (entirely) on improved working conditions at western factories. That’s potentially the most outrageous thing I’ve ever heard and I once spoke to a jellyfish, which did not respond. But if I were to speak to it again, it might say something like this:
The answer is right there in the prose. The price difference is because the Russians save three millimetres worth of metal for every shell (it’s probably 3mm³ but the text isn’t clear). That metal could even be wrought iron, which doesn’t come cheap.
The west should make their ammunitions smaller than the Russians’. Maybe start with just a small decrease in size, like 149mm. This would, by my calculations at the correct ratio and taking health and safety into account, reduce the cost of each shell to roughly $5–600.
The Russians aren’t silly and they do like an arms race with the west. By Christmas they are likely to go even smaller. Maybe down to 146mm @ $60. Now we see there’s a predictable trend and what the Russians won’t know is that the west has already started to produce 143mm shells at the same price!
Eventually, the west will be able to fit two shells into one artillery-thing, which is bound to have some advantages. For a start it will solve the problem of not having enough weapons because every weapon will now be twice as effective.
Eventually, if the west keeps going with this winning strategy, the cost of it’s shells will become $0. Some time after that, the size will become 0mm, too. Like a good game of Connect Jelly 4, if the west drops it’s pieces right, the Russians will get to zero first and then won’t be able to fight at all.
Personally, I would not take advice from a jellyfish even if it was sentient. It would probably just spook me, tbh, and they have the right shape to dress up as a ghost, too.
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The weakness and corruption in western countries shock me every day. They can’t even provide Ukraine with enough shells.
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For real. The majority of the price difference isn’t materials or workplace safety but privatized vs state enterprise. A sizeable chunk of the $5000 price difference is the cut that goes to the shareholders of General Dynamics. It’s the same reason the Chinese J20 costs so much less than the F35 and had dramatically less production issues.
Russia only had a privatized defense industry from the early 1990s until in 2007 they decided privatization of certain industries was a mistake. They undid the privatization of their aerospace, defense, high tech manufacturing, and key heavy industries. It’s taken almost a decade to repair the damage of privatization and rebuild capacity but we are now seeing the fruits of those efforts.
In Russia their 155mm artillery shells are currently manufactured by KBP Instrument Design Bureau, a wholey owned subsidiary of the Russia state owned Rostec holding corporation.
In the US all their 155mm artillery shells are manufactured at the US government owned Scranton Army Ammunition Plant, which is operated by the private sector defense contractor General Dynamics. That same facility used to be able to produce over a million 155mm field artillery shells per month back in the 1940s before modern factory automation and even today claims to have the ability to ramp back to that capacity (at a cost) with only a couple months notice. As part of the US propaganda blitz, BusinessInsider recently did a PR and tour video of the plant.
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Vijay Prashad told this in its very early stage. Russia has immense military power, west cannot defeat Russia obviously they can slow them down.
Nah you don’t get it, that extra 3mm is actually the source of the cost since it’s made out of solid gold, and obviously if it costs more it must be better. So it’s actually very normal for an artillery round to cost that much.
Please ignore the fact that gold wouldn’t even be close to that price because it ruins my joke.Russian military industrial complex is highly centralized and nationalized. We buy weapons from Russia regularly. Though Russian aircrafts need some work.
We buy weapons from Russia regularly.
Huh, I thought those deals got kind of quietly rolled back, and India went on to produce homemade weapons? At least I think that was the case with assault rifles
We don’t manufacture much and even if we do some its not a big scale production, we are buying newer weapons like S400 and we love BrahMos type missiles which was a joint venture between India and Russia (although it will be mostly Russia’s contribution) .
I watched a video in which Medvedev told the private and public MIC managers of Russia that if they don’t fulfill the quota of the government then they will face what Stalin did in 1941-45. I mean there were reports that high ranking executives of several companies were committing suicide in Russia by jumping out of the window.
Why do they always ignore labour cost in these topics lol.
Interesting how in western media i see that market strike scene EVERYWHERE to ilustrate that war but never once i seen one of the hundreds of scenes of bombed Donetsk.
I think they’ve actually used photos from Donetsk (when AFU attacked it with Tochka missiles). Aaaand then claimed Russia did it
Yeah i remember.
Cause that’s Russian propaganda sweaty /s
Remember when Bellingcat predicted a few days after the invasion began that Russia would run out of shells within a month?
Lol.
Lmao.
Well they’re claiming Russia is now buying shells from DPRK and thus absolve themselves of any lie
Let’s hope that’s not the last winter of humanity…
Nah, I will live through it… Why I am getting downvotes though?
Every Russia/Ukraine related post attracts automatic downvotes nowadays from the handful of obsessive lib lurkers we have here. And even more so when the posts make their way onto main lemmy.
I have 5~6 libs follow me around and downvote my every post on lemmy.ml, I find it absolutely hilarious. Can you imagine anything sadder than people spending their whole day following my account just to rage.
Haha, apparently i have a fan now as well, all of my comments i made going back about 5 days or so have just gotten one downvote on them since a few hours ago. It’s funny to think they sit there and go through your post/comment history and obsessively downvote every one, like this achieves anything whatsoever.
In classic liberal fashion, they’re trying to vote us off the internet. 😂
In that case they need to voote harder. They need to pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers.
Lol. Well what an obsession.
These people are seeing their whole world unravel in front of their eyes and it’s driving them increasingly bonkers.
Yeah , I think if Russia goes into Kiev western libs will cry in their closet hard for months to come.
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But still their hero betraying them for monies will be hilarious.
Wait, I thought Russia was screwed for the winter.
That’s what my clownish downvoters think…
nah they got their shovels
I bloody hope so. I can’t take it here anymore.
Unfortunately his enablers and handlers are alive and well, and likely will continue to be so. Think about it, when was the last time you’ve heard from Poroshenko? Yatsenyuk? At least Kolomoysky got locked up, although I expect him to “mysteriously disappear” from prison, as such types do
