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    And DS9 is the conservative one with all the religion and the baseball and the war crimes and stuff.

    TNG was run by a Frenchman who thought allowing bronze age species to believe in God was a barbaric act and went to bat as a human rights lawyer for an android who in turn let his first child pick their gender at will. All that while his polyamorous first officer was busy arguing against conversion therapy when pushed upon his trans nonbinary partner.

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      Uh… He wasn’t against allowing anyone to believe in a god of gods. He only took issue with people worshipping “The Picard” and Ardra scamming.

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        He gave a speech about how they had moved past religion and he wasn’t going to allow them to go back to superstition

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          I looked it up.

          Horrifying. Dr. Barron, your report describes how rational these people are. Millennia ago, they abandoned their belief in the supernatural. Now you are asking me to sabotage that achievement, to send them back into the dark ages of superstition and ignorance and fear? NO!

          Man was such an atheist I’m mildly surprised he isn’t more of a terminally online conservative. He’s too pro-choice, though, so I think we’re safe.

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        He knew Ardra was a phony, but still passed up the opportunity.

        That takes some restraint and willpower, as opposed to Will-power, cause we all know Riker would.

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          He’s met it enough times at this point that it’s not belief. You don’t believe in a fact.

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          Nah. There is a whole omnipotent being with a massive crush on him and Picard treats him like a nuisance he deals with at regular intervals. First thing he did when Q got briefly depowered was put him in the brig.

          Picard knows the Koala is real but he has zero respect for cosmic marsupials in general.

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            Wait, I thought we all did. Which is why I suggested a superior being such as JLP also does.

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                And may you always feel his weird double thumbed hands guiding you in your daily mod report decisions. Channel your inner Dukat.

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      Yeah DS9 was good, but it took me a long time to get past the fact that they made the Federation freaking space NATO. Martial law, biological weapons on your own citizens, papers please, most with the subtext (or lengthy deleted personal log) that morality is for peace time, and some of your favorite values should be abandoned when the stakes are high.

      I think ENT is the most conservative tbh. Who else would go that far to get revenge for Florida?

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        I haven’t gotten past that, to be honest.

        To this day I have a visceral reaction to all the online nerds complaining about NuTrek not being Starfleet enough but having memory holed that DS9 got that exact pushback at the time for honestly way more legitimate reasons.

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          And look at how DS9 is seen now.

          But to be fair, do you really think the future will look back at Discovery the same way?

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            Hm… had season 5 been better, maybe. Like Discovery it starts with a different tone and then it finds itself, but it unfortunately ends in a bit of a dud. I think seasons 2-4 are good to great, though, it’s just never quite as smart as TNG.

            Season 1 is… underrated? It buckles under the pressure of expectations as a revival to kickstart a whole new era, but I think as a movie it would have worked pretty well, honestly. Better than most of the cheap fluff they put in theatres during the TNG movie era.

            But I also think DS9 is overrated. besides the straight-up bad wheelspin-y early episodes, my last rewatch ended when they spent a whole show making O’Brian argue for doing a bit of murder, then doing a bunch of murder himself and then the show being so much in agreement with him that this is taken as a bit of a teachable moment.

            It’s been decades and I was still pissed. At least Michael got court martialled.

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              Season 1

              I mean, how many Star Treks have a great Season 1? Other than SNW :P

              I am not a mega Star Trek fan and skipped Discovery after season 1 TBH, but maybe I will go back and look at the later seasons, thanks.

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                True. I was in a genuine rage halfway through Lower Decks season 1 and I’m now actively in “Save Lower Decks” team.

                I do recommend going back in your situation, then, because it really becomes a whole different show. Especially if you did enjoy SNW, the vibe of Season 2 is different but the characters are consistent, so it’s a natural jump-in point.

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                  Random recommendation at risk of being off topic, but you have to watch Pantheon (the animated TV series) if you like Lower Decks, assuming you haven’t seen it already.

                  I just discovered it and… holy heck. It’s incredible, and no one knows about it because the distribution/release is a disaster. It’s honestly some of the best sci fi I’ve consumed anywhere, period.