I don’t wanna
You can’t make meYeah, inner work was my intention last time I tripped, but instead I ended up vegging out and getting annoyed at my trip mates. It was a waste of time and materials.
I don’t know if there will be a next time to try to do better.
certified “have you tried working on your inner self” moment.
Explanation: sometimes, mental health problems don’t only come from internal misfits, but simply from enormous pressure from the environment. (such as in my case.) it’s important to take care of externalities, not just seek the problem within yourself.
This post is making fun of people who think they’re fixing their life by having “epiphanies” after taking magic mushrooms multiple times a week and then not doing anything about those epiphanies when they’re sober.
Source: I used to do that
You’ll see it in trust fund kids back from festivals. They learn that other humans have feelings, which is really mind blowing, but as far as changing behavior in any way…
“Your life isn’t shitty, the System that we live our lives in is”
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Wayne Gretzki
- Michael Scott
-Anonymous
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For anyone who’s struggling, I just want you to know that I basically permanently cured my depression, the semi-powerful mushroom trip. During the trip essentially took a side step left in my brain that didn’t fix my problems but fixed the way that I perceived them and how I tackle them. It has since been about 4 years since that trip and the effect s on my attitude and personality have been long lasting. I will say as a word of caution that my attachment to traditional capitalism and some other more normal things in life has definitely waned but I still make my payments and stuff without incident but I just care less. This shit should not be illegal especially compared to alcohol and cigarettes.
Ingesting this substance can lead to deep thinking about the morality of our economic, political, and social systems, as you noted. That is exactly why they are illegal.
They help massively with my depression too, although I feel I need to take them 2-4 times each year to keep the effect. If anyone is considering taking them for their mental health, the most important things to do are take them in a place you feel safe, with a person or people you trust. I recommend stopping all mental health medication for three days before you take them. If you cannot handle going without medication for three days you probably shouldn’t take mushrooms.
I also recommend taking an eighth of a dry ounce. You can increase the dose next time. Anything less is essentially microdosing, unless you weigh 100 pounds or something.
Oh and you develop near immediate immunity to the mental effects of psilocybin. Don’t think you can eat half now then eat half later. The second half won’t work. In fact you’ll be highly resistant to them for a couple of weeks at least. This is a blessing because you can’t get addicted!
Note that mushrooms or other drugs acting on the serotonin system like LSD, DMT or MDMA must absolutely not be taken while also taking SSRIs or MAOs. It risks inducing a Serotonine Syndrom, which can easily be fatal.
This is important to note although I think it’s extremely rare with LSD, DMT, or Psilocybin. More common with MDMA.
So yeah just another reason to quit taking your mental health medication three days before. I do not recommend taking them if you are on an SSRI or MAOI, just as this person pointed out.
sadly my friend, within your comment is the reason why it’s illegal - if people universally cared less about money, there wouldn’t be enough people to steal labour from :(
well, it started with the fact they had to arrest the hippies for something, god forbid people care enough about the lives of brown foreigners strongly enough to protest their country killing them. looks bad to arrest those wanting peace so, arrest them for having a drug that makes them more compassionate!
I don’t know, man, it’s always annoying whenever these subjects come up, and the capitalist goblin pulling levers behind a curtain is invoked.
It is the very people themselves who are scared shitless of anything that actually works this powerfully.
It’s either complex evil above or cowardly, lazy ignorance horizontally around you. Which is Occam’s Razor?“We foresee that this substance might liberate the population’s minds and threaten us robber barons!” sounds too tidy a narrative, and it is attractive, as it puts blame squarely on the shoulders of The Other. It is, however, as flat and simple and false as “both parties are the same”.
Do you know why capitalism is so powerful? Because it gives us what we want. And we suck. There’s no hidden pure angel inside of us waiting to be freed fully formed if they just leave us alone, there’s a lot of inner work to be done, and we suck at it, we don’t wanna do it. We are also a myopic species.
It’s the truth. Former domestic policy chief for the Nixon White House, John Ehrlichman, spoke out about it years after the fact:
“You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities,” Ehrlichman said. “We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
Psychedelics were criminalized in the US to target anti-war protesters. This is in the open and on the record, but they’re still classified as a Schedule I drug: no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Neither of those things are true. It’s completely fucked up.
i’m genuinely only slightly exaggerating. read up what documents “supported” banned of LSD in the US. amongst many claims there are such marvels as “no medicinal properties”
i don’t without capitalism we’d suck a little bit less tbf, the whole machine rewards cruelty and preying on those less fortunate
Recommending an unsupervised mushroom trip to cure depression to random people is just reckless.
People get drunk all the time and they’re way more likely to be victimized or hurt.
Thats like the more people killed by cows than sharks thing.
There are more cows and people near cows than sharks and people near them.
As a “socially” acceptable and legal drug, more people use alcohol than shrooms so of course the incident rate is higher.
Are we so pacified that an adult can’t just eat some mushrooms? We can’t even let kids out to play all day or some fictional fuck will snatch them up!
The only things tripping people need to worry about is the same things we’d normally worry about. Stay inside if it’s your first time. If you’re so scared of life that you can’t fathom taking a great life affirming substance, maybe do therapy first.
A friend of mine, which sounded exactly like you. Solo trippin to cure himself, multiple times and that it is the best thing ever. At some point he spammed a group chat with weird nonsense until he mentioned that he is going to die and that we should send an ambulance. They found him laying in front of his flat in the snow tripping like hell, lol. That guy is the perfect example, why people shouldn’t do that (alone). I’m not saying people should not do drugs or that psychedelics cannot help to cure depression. It needs a setting, instructions and someone who has experience, can guide you and is sober.
I love that people are dumb enough to downvote common sense.
Even experienced trippers shouldn’t go it alone if they’re not in a good headspace.
Even in a good headspace it’s risky (physically and mentally) to go on a trip alone.
I’ve only done solo trips. It depends on how you react. I think movies present psychedelics as more “effective” than they are. In my experience, even at relatively heroic doses, I don’t really lose my connection to reality. I get nice visuals, I get some profound feeling thoughts, and spend most of the time just curled up on the couch watching TV.
The pink elephants/elaborate real looking hallucinations aren’t really a thing I think. It’s more pattern based - things turn into swirls and moving color. You don’t see things that aren’t “there” necessarily, more that things are more dynamic.
I usually solo trip as well.
I’ve never had a bad trip, but I know folks who have.
I just took some time years ago to come up with a rough plan to deal with bad trips before one became an issue.
A couple of comedies and my old standbys of Baraka and Samsara for comfort if needed.
A few different music playlists with different vibes to tweak my headspace in whatever direction I wanna go.
And a designated safe space that I’ve never needed to use.
Ive had quite a few bad trips; but i dont really do high doses mostly in the 2-3.5 g range, and i feel like mine are more sad/depressed over like scary or freaky
Lowkey i kinda like them now, i think its nice to emotionally get everything out and “start new” in a sense
I will say, at least for me it is very hard to hold off a bad trip when it starts, insert stereotypical ‘go with the flow’ mantra.even with preparation you could still have one
I’ve only ever had a bad trip from THC - like 1000 mg+ of good quality indica, which I don’t react well to in general. Experienced what was specifically the Christian hell.
The worst I’ve gotten from mushrooms was tummy troubles and some hot flashes. LSA and mescaline were about the same. As long as one has good music, movies (Koyaanisqatsi is amazing if you like Samsara), art… the mind wonders so much that if you just let it the bad trip will fade. Bad trips come from resisting the experience.
Bad trips come from resisting the experience.
This is it right here folks, plain and simple. Even “bad” trips can be good once they’re over, if you take the time to reflect on what made you feel that way then perhaps make a change to your life or your way of thinking. Easier said than done, I know.
You sound like you don’t know that you’re talking about. Even at my limits of connection to reality I know not to run into the street. If I’m going to get melted by myself I’m staying inside anyway. And if you’re still sure it’s so risky, then accept that risk and move on. When Jason Vorhees slashes you up because you wanted to get a closer look at a flower you won’t have time to regret your “mistake”
I guess not everybody is as smart as you. Congratulations or something.
Yeah. Psychedelics aren’t the work, but they may very well change how the work goes.
But try reading about your issues and how to resolve them first. Acid pointed a mirror at my face and told me how I was fucking up, but understanding psychological concepts told me how to do better.
For me my bad trip basically gave me ptsd ten years ago. I was prone to getting panic attacks though.
Sorry to hear that, regular shrooms user myself. It’s often been said it all depends on (mind)set and setting. Do you reckon your bad trip could’ve been prevented in any way? Was there an experienced user present that could’ve calmed you down? OR do you reckon you were just prone to panic attacks and the shrooms would’ve magnified that no matter what?
i had a semi-bad trip (on ecstasy) and i think i was just not expecting the effect to be so strong. i took half a pill, and the first hour was intense but the second one knocked me off my feet and made me cry uncontrollably.
still worth it though.
so, my advice to anyone who tries it for the first time is: LOW-DOSE. you have no idea how it will affect you, but you can stay safe by essentially trying with a very low dose first.
I don’t know if in the case of all psychedelics this is true. I’ve often heard, and I think I agree, that having a good or bad trip is relatively independant of dose, rather it is based on set and setting. I’ve even heard it said that with for instance LSD it can be easier to have a somewhat higher dose, because with that you’ll have no control, and you’ll often be beyond even trying to control what’s happening in your head. While with a low dose you might be very aware, and precisely for this reason more susceptible to paranoia and fear, which could still spiral into massive proportions. You might want to control what’s happening in your head, and you’ll find that you’re unable to, which is conflicting. With ecstasy I certainly agree, I tend to think most people that use ecstasy use too high of a dose for their own good anyway. I go by the (max bodyweight in kg)x1,5mg total for 1 evening, and only do it once every 3 months or so.
I’ve even heard it said that with for instance LSD it can be easier to have a somewhat higher dose, because with that you’ll have no control, and you’ll often be beyond even trying to control what’s happening in your head.
I honestly think that’s precisely what’s scaring people, at least it would scare the heck out of me. It’s like putting yourself in a submissive BDSM position with somebody you barely know. Who in their right mind wouldn’t be scared as shit. Even if it ends up going well, the sensation of helplessness and fear might leave a permanent trauma on you.
I elaborate in another comment. But I think psychedelics are not good for a certain percentage of the population, myself included. Of course set and setting affects the odds of a bad trip, they were bad in my case as well.
Would it upset you too much to explain how this went down?
It could help people that are worried about something similar.
I just got so many panic attacks during my trip. Of course, I didn’t understand what they were but thought I had lost my mind for good instead. Time stopped, I couldn’t think straight, couldn’t calm myself down, at times I couldn’t parse other people’s speech and everything was just damn scary the whole time. And felt like an eternity.
After the trip, I was afraid of anything I deemed “not normal” for months. I got scared by my vision going black when blinking, the occasinal weird joke someone would make, bird noises in the winter, awkward social situations, anything you could imagine being “not normal”. Now after ten years, I occasionally get that when something peculiar happens, but it’s not a constant thing as it used to be. Maybe once a day I get “half triggered” by something but usually I can calm myself down.
I think the whole bad trip was caused by me being generally prone to getting panic attacks (which I hadn’t even realized yet), and bad set and setting. Dark outside, with friends that I didn’t fully trust.
Sounds like what you needed was someone you trust, that’s sober, that would tell you: 'listen, you are currently under the influence of this drug, that effect will pass and you’ll go back to normal, nothing terrible has happened, you are just having a panic attack that’s being magnified by the drugs, but really, nothing bad has happened, none of this will last, the drugs will lose their effect soon, and there is nothing to worry about except for your panic attack right now, that must be very uncomfortable. so let’s try to calm down, let’s focus on breathing together for a bit so we can stop your panic reaction.
In my experience such words can make a world of difference, a moment of fear can be turned round, back into a pleasant experience. I’ve regretted not having a sitter present when I introduced LSD to some friends. One of them got a message on his phone, that got him very confused, and although we managed to calm him down eventually, he experienced some severe panic, that I feel I could’ve handled a lot better when I was sober, but unfortunately I was also under the influence. I myself having taken psychedelics monthly for over a decade now, I tend to underestimate the psychological risks for new users, that’s what I took from that experience, and I won’t let it happen again. Psychedelics always need proper set and setting, and new users should have an experienced, familair tripsitter present, always. My friend didn’t have lasting negative effects from the experience but your story proves that it’s definitely risky and measures should be taken to always take them with precaution.
I’ve regretted having a sitter present
Did you mean you regretted not having a sitter present?
Not meaning to discount your experience at all I just want it clear what you mean to people reading.
I think trip sitters are a downer even when they’re a pschonaut. They could be a pure soul just there to help or whatever but they can’t vibe.
I’ve always, except for one time, been able to calm friends or even people I barely know. One man I just met that day, the brother of a friend, asked me to hold his hand while we were blasting through the crazy part. Of course I did. I held his hand for what felt like forever while we all lay in the floor together.
The only person I’ve been unable to calm is my wife. We have our issues. But if you’re a person’s easiest target when they don’t know what to do with their feelings, it can be tough. When that person literally tells you to go away and not bother them while they make a bad trip for themself, how could I violate that.
Yes, you’re right I regretted NOT having a sitter present. I can understand that sitters can be an uncomfortable presence when all is well and I wouldn’t say you always need them there, but specifically when it’s peoples first time taking psychedlics I think it can be a wise precaution to take. Surely, most of the time everything will be fine, but it’s a safeguard for the occasion that it’s not. I think the sitter should probably bring a book or something and do his own thing, as you’re not on the same level you should probably not intervene in any way when it’s not needed. When you’re mind is doing strange things to you, it’s pleasant to know that the ones around you are in more or less the same situation, I guess it makes it easier to let go and be weird, without the gaze of a normal person. And letting go of control and inhibitions I think is crucial when doing psychedelic. Don’t control your mind but let it flow like a river.
When that person literally tells you to go away and not bother them while they make a bad trip for themself, how could I violate that.
I agree, if one does not want help, pushing help onto them is probably not the least bit helpfull. But it must be slightly uncomfortable knowing that if allowed, you could actually make things a bit better.
I don’t think it’s helpful to tell people that bad trips are avoidable. The probability can be lowered and consequences can be mitigated to some extent but the risk is always there.
Edit: Towards the end of the trip, my friends tried telling me it’s gonna be alright and you are just under the influence of a drug.
I’m so sorry that this happened to you.
If you will please entertain my question?
When you say “I didn’t understand what they were” what did you think you were taking?
I’m grateful that you can recognize that your reactions were not necessarily due to what you took but external factors.
I personally believe this PTSD could be permanently fixed by trying again in a safe place with people you trust. I am happy to answer any questions you may have publicly or privately, or just talk. I’m not a qualified expert, I’ve just taken a fucking shit ton of mushrooms over the years.
As I mentioned, I didn’t understand that I was having a panic attack. Mind you, there were periods of time when the words of my friends just felt like gibberish to me. I was not capable of coherent thought.
I usually have a strong trip about once a year. It’s definitely not for everyone though. For me, it ablates habitual mental patterns and understandings. Almost everything turns symbolic that is thrust from the subconscious whether I’m ready for it or not. It’s something that everyone should have access to if you’re willing to open up to yourself.
Well said and that’s the key. Taking mushrooms won’t make you be true to yourself. You have to already be there, at least halfway and meet in the middle.
Oh damn shots fired 😂😳
I thought I could just bury my problems under a truckload of christmas cookies.
“Do it for shrooms.”
“Do it for the shrooms”…
…some time later
“I’m doing shrooms for charity!”
Can this be the new government slogan
That’s precisely what those outings are for…
I’ve also heard it called a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster.
Similar to the gin and tonic notion:
It is a curious fact, and one to which no-one knows quite how much importance to attach, that something like 85 percent of all known worlds in the Galaxy, be they primitive or highly advanced, have invented a drink called jynnan tonyx, or gee-N’N-T’N-ix, or jinond-o-nicks, or any one of a thousand variations on this phonetic theme. The drinks themselves are not the same, and vary between the Sivolvian ‘chinanto/mnigs’ which is ordinary water served just above room temperature, and the Gagrakackan ‘tzjin-anthony-ks’ which kills cows at a hundred paces; and in fact the only one common factor between all of them, beyond the fact that their names sound the same, is that they were all invented and named before the worlds concerned made contact with any other worlds.
This is from Hitchhiker’s guide to the galaxy, isn’t it?
The Restaurant at the End of the Universe, but essentially yeah.
Didn’t expect to get blessed with a Grosse Pointe Blank Quote for breakfast but here we are!
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Whatever, man.
You’ve become what you were sworn to destroy 😭
Worked for Elon Musk! His endless K-hole is working out just gangbusters.
K is trash compared to shrooms
Educate yourself. Ketamine is a party drug and has nothing in common with psilocybin.
the book ’ reality switch technologies’ goes into some detail about how different drugs influence our precepetion of reality and what it might be bound in. I think you would like it
Ketamine first and foremost is a dissociative anesthetic. Ketamine is also having psychedelic effects. It has been used for “spiritual” purposes long before it became common as a “party drug”. Also every drug is a “party drug”. Finally Ketamine is in research for treating depression, anxiety, addiction and other issues, with some results looking quite promising.
All fair. But it’s very unlike psilocybin in many ways. For instance it has potential for addiction. I’ve never tried it myself so I’m not any kind of expert on K.
I hope it succeeds as a therapeutic. I think all drugs should be legal and regulated though
Isn’t Ketamine currently in use for some mental health treatments though?
That is correct but it is very dissimilar to psilocybin. It has addictive potential for one. I’ve never tried it so I’m no expert. I hope it succeeds as a therapeutic. I think all drugs should be legal and regulated though
I can’t be certain of that until I try it
Someone shroom my lazy ass up
For the love of yourself please watch recent chubbyemu story on YouTube and pls understand what you are doing before doing it.
Shrooms are very random and medicine should be treated with utmost caution and respect.
Tbf if you just dive in and heroic dose based on a lemmey meme without doing your own research on it (as you should do with any drug ur planning to take) i feel like it was a lil deserved
My recommendation: research like an hour or two on effects/what to expect/how long/etc and start small like 1.5g or less depending on how fimilar you are with drugs (like weed or even a bit of alcohol) . If you like it you can always do more the next time
Shrooms? I love em! Lemon Tek, let’s go!
But for Mental health it’s pseudo healing. Maybe it helps for a few weeks, but issues are issues, shrooms help to isolate them but not to solve them. Get therapy.
Edit: I mean it. Issues have roots, some multiples. Shrooms help to isolate/understand these connections but it’s not a magic “helping” potion. Shrooms can e.g. help with depression but if you don’t change the circumstances, the issues shift/come back. (E.g. developing psychosomatic pain instead of depression). So, yes shrooms help… but only temporary if you don’t pull the right learnings from it (which could be done on your own… but is srsly much much harder)
Depending on the person’s psyche and the severity of their trauma, one trip can cure a person forever as someone was saying in this thread. That’s not common though.
I like that people do therapy. I’ve tried it myself but it wasn’t for me. Hard ass Psilocybin trips help me though. I don’t know if the DMT during helps but it sure is fun.
I disagree with you, lightly. I think many people can work out their issues with mushrooms, or perhaps mushroom therapy, although from what I’ve seen what they call a therapeutic dose is a joke.
Oh shit forgot to say- lemon-tek is the only way! Lemon tek a quarter, keep a DMT vape in your pocket if you can remember what a pocket is, and just go wild. My favorite.
my first (lsd) trip taught me how to establish boundaries and tell people “no” overnight, i didn’t even intend for that to happen. i was on the edge of ego death, saw myself looking at myself inside of my mind, my other self said “love yourself more” and that was it???
it’d have taken months if not years of therapy to achieve, and a funny little paper i got from my friend for free fixed it with a single sentence, on top of all the fun i had that night
Goes hand-in-hand
