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Public transportation in the USA sucks shit and it should be improved before unleashing a congestion toll.
NYC has one of the biggest public transportation systems ever built
What I’ve read says that you aren’t charged unless you cross the boundary. If you reside inside the zone and never leave and enter again, you won’t be charged a toll.
Congestion fees are a very capitalist way of solving it. This law basically exists for everyone except rich people (i,e. Those who can afford to pay fees).
All this is based on a false assumption that money has an objective value. But in reality, 1$ means different things for different classes.
I mean, you are right and the fee should be proportional to wealth, but it is not gonna affect the poor people because they use the public transit. Maybe anywhere else in the US may be true that “even the homeless need/have a car” but NYC would be the exception.
Awww he might have to go on the big scary subway and desk with the poors… A sad day indeed
Love how this is in the one US city where you need a car the least as far as I know. You’ve got the subway, the sidewalks, cabs… I mean sure, the latter exists in the form of ride sharing apps basically everywhere now, but NYC had cabs even in old movies. Though I suspect most other cities of any real size had them as well
I dunno about NYC but Chicago has a pretty large and diverse public transit system.
That said the first bus I got onto in Chicago clearly hit a parked car that was too far over the line and the driver just sorta shrugged and kept on truckin’.
There are buses too. Last time I visited NYC I used buses all the time. They were clean, frequent, cheap, and I had great conversations with other passengers. 10/10.
The cabs actually get a surcharge for the congestion pricing but who cares.
His kids live on 79th street and he will have to pay congestion price every time he goes to see them.
So like, what, Christmas and their birthdays?
That was my first thought as well. Why doesn’t his kids want to live with him?
Not having primary custody can be due to lots of things, I won’t judge anyone male or female for it unless there’s abuse involved.
Also maybe theyre adults?
Just take the 6 like 2 stops you absolute donkey
I looked on the map. That overlooks Central Park.
If your home overlooks Central Park, I’m pretty sure you can afford a congestion charge.
Some of the most frugal, penny pitching people I know are also some of the wealthiest people I know.
Then he can walk.
A good reason to feel sorry for his kids.
Yep. I work in tech and there’s a guy who cannot stop bragging about his millionaire status and is so ridiculously cheap.
You know he’s got exactly $1,000,001 too.
Isn’t the point of the congestion fee to relieve congestion? Each person that says “this fee is stupid & I’m not paying” is one less vehicle in the area.
Sounds like a win.
That is indeed the goal, but there is still a PR battle to be had on the issue.
To my knowledge this is the first time that congestion pricing has been implemented in North-America, and how people react to this will decide whether other North-American cities are willing to take the risk and do the same thing. Over the next couple of months there will likely be a lot of opinion pieces and articles that try to make you think that the congestion pricing is a failure and should be reversed.
Edit: typo
I hope they don’t react the same way they did when roundabouts (rotaries/traffic circles) were introduced. Another thing that is only a problem in America and works well in many other countries.
I was wondering if there was more to the story. Like, maybe he has a disability and NYC doesn’t have an exemption for disabilities. They do, however, have an exemption for disabilities as well as a reduced rate for low income residents. To me it sounds like this guy is just lazy.
Looking at this on Google Maps, he can get anywhere on 76th St using one bus or subway ride and a 5-10 minute walk.
Zero sympathy.
Wow, I can’t believe you’d suggest subjecting this poor man to something as horrible as being forced to use a public bus.
“Ahh, the old number 22. Clean, reliable public transportation. The chariot of the people. The ride of choice for the poor and very poor alike!”
I found Area 51!!
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A bus? With all the other peasants?
Sometimes when I ride the bus I’m uncomfortable with how my country fails the least fortunate
A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It’s where the rich use public transportation. (mayor of Bogotá, Enrique Peñalosa)
Bedbug bus? :p
The congestion zone starts at 60th Street and heads south, so traveling from 61st - 79th street won’t even encounter the congestion pricing. This guy is dumb on so many levels.
EDIT: I just looked it up on a map and 61st is a one way going west towards Central Park, so if you enter 61st from Madison Ave, you’re forced to exit at 5th Ave and go south entering the zone, which I guess is this guy’s problem?. I also looked up the guy and he’s a CEO Real Estate developer, so he’s living in a multi-million dollar place right next to Central Park and can’t afford to pay $9 because his private parking spot in his building forces him to drive into the congestion pricing zone. Come on!
Wait, it’s 9 dollars?
Oh my God. I thought it was cheap. This poor bastard, does he have a GoFundMe I can donate to? This is highway robbery, it’s going to drive him straight to the poor house or worse the public transportation system!
Maybe he’s a shady CEO scared his shit business practices will get him capped so he avoids all public transit.
Another case of the big bad gubberment hurting the little guy!
Dude: “I wish traffic in my area wasn’t so bad”
Genie: “Ok, people driving in your area will be financially penalized for using their car instead of public transit, therefore alleviating traffic.”
Dude: “hey wait, I want an exception made for me! I am special. I am the main character, I should be the only one driving a car!”
Genie: “That was your third wish. Goodbye.”
Imagine if we got this sort of coverage whenever someone was inconvenienced by public transit being cut, or a bike lane being blocked, or fares being raised.
But that doesn’t manufacture consent for the corporate dictatorship?
Dude is complaining because even though he just lives out side of the zone he still has to pay the fee even when he travels north to 79th which is also outside zone. That area is all one way streets and if he wants to go north he has to travel south first into the zone and then he can turn around and drive to 79th. Though I have zero sympathy if you can afford to live right next to Central Park you can afford to pay the fee hundreds of times per week.
Isn’t that less than two miles away?
I suppose he could also have to travel down 79th a bit, but Manhattan is only about 2 miles wide anyway, right? So like…worst case scenario, a four mile walk.
Okay. That would be a significant walk. Probably an hour or two. But in NYC, how likely is it that you can get to your car, travel to your destination four miles away, find parking, and then walk to your destination (1) in less than an hour, and (2) for less than $9?
Get a bike, bro. Or hey, I hear New York has this fancy new doohickey called a “subway.”
Isn’t that less than two miles away?
I have a coworker who lives less than two kilometers from work and he complained that our workplace doesn’t have enough parking spots. There is a bus stop right in front of our building and two bus routes connecting to his neighbourhood, yet he refuses to ever take the bus
It’s about a 24 minute walk or a 17 minute journey by bus
Under 10m by bike
If you catch all the lights. Urban biking can be a bit weird to time correctly.
and seemed to be able to anticipate and navigate around all pedestrians and cars in front of him like they weren’t even there
…spoken two seconds after almost hitting two pedestrians
Wild!
5 minutes by motorized carriage
5 in an ebike.
For me, a brisk walk is 5.2 km/h (at 8% grade, 135 strides/minute, and I’m totally sweaty after 30 minutes, it would take me about 45 to go 2 miles) because I’m short and 65. With my husband, we would take over an hour because he can only drive his wheelchair so fast before the vibrations make him lose control of his lip-joystick. Add in crappy curbcuts for another 10 minutes. I (or we) would take the bus because I’m not a privileged idiot like him, (and the subway is still not wheelchair accessible) but you should also be aware of your own privilege of youth, stride length, and health.
Exactly, that’s why we need to alleviate traffic for you guys and get you exempt from the congestion pricing because of disability.
You expect this man to mingle with the poors? What if he had to talk to someone or got bumped into? Perish the thought of this man interacting with anyone below his socioeconomic status.
Well he says it’s 18 blocks so probably a straight shot up 5th. It’s a 20 minute walk and he can go through the park if he likes.
Are blocks shorter in new york? Where i live each block is a quarter mile
Blocks are a quarter mile where you are? That’s huge!
In Chicago, they are an 8th of a mile, which usually means blocks are 2x2 big buildings downtown.
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On average, a city block is 1/20 of a mile. But that can vary greatly depending on direction (N/S vs E/W) and location in the city.
https://streeteasy.com/blog/how-many-nyc-blocks-are-in-one-mile/
I don’t live in New York. But it was my understanding that most cities with numbered streets generally adhered to 10 street numbers = one mile. 79 - 61 = 18 = 1.8 miles.
