I thought Trump had an executive order to stop reporting on outbreaks
Yeah… If it does a full on human to human mutation, it’s going to take Trump and a lot of his acolytes out.
If that doesnt do it, the raw milk might
Legit, if this shit takes off and maintains a 50% fatality rate, no shot they maintain power, or the US exists within a month of it popping off.
I’ll admit to not really understanding social dynamics, but surely such a drastic fatality rate will scare people into this being taken more seriously?
It’s easy to say Americans will just merrily go about their business with even a 10% case fatality rate, but that’s ascribing a level of irrationality to them that is simply not reasonable. Tell people they have a 10% chance of dying if they go out to a restaurant and not even the chuddiest chud doesn’t have that much of a death wish.
Covid was horrible, of course, but the reality is that there’s tens of millions of white middle class (and higher) Americans who at most lost a grandparent to Covid. It was a terribly deadly disease but it wasn’t deadly enough to people with adequate access to resources and health care for them to be able to not ignore it. Even a “good” CFR associated with bird flu could many orders of magnitude more deadly than COVID, you can’t take the Covid experience and extrapolate.
I don’t necessarily disagree that people in the US would take a bird flu pandemic with a much higher fatality rate than COVID more seriously. I do think it’s worth pointing out that COVID is still a serious problem that the vast majority of people are ignoring even if they know it means putting their well-being at risk. Even according to the CDC, COVID has been killing an average of 525 people in the US a week over the last 12 weeks. To compare, gun violence deaths minus suicides in the US in 2024 was about 319 deaths per week. It’s also well known at this point that even a “mild” COVID infection comes with significant risks of long term complications, from a severely increased chance of heart attack and stroke, to neurological issues, to damage to the immune system, and more.
Obviously it is not killing as many people as it did early in the pandemic, nor is it anywhere near 10% CFR, but it is still something that people should be concerned over and yet are not. I’ve talked to many people who know these things, who agree that COVID is still something worth worrying about, and yet do not mask or even keep their vaccines up to date. These are normal people, not even your Q-Anon freaks. It worries me to imagine having to rely on those same people in the potential bird flu pandemic.
COVID kills you in the long term as it destroys your immune system and blood vessels
Climate change kills us all in the long term, but that hasn’t made the people on power take it seriously either.
Smoking gives you cancer, red meat is a carcinogen, alcohol is literal poison, candy is more addictive than cocaine, asbestos is good for insulating heat.
Not saying these are all the same, but people suck at caring about anything other than short-term consequences and that’s when they’re being informed about them.
That’s my thinking as well.
Some people would rather die than accept advice from someone they view as inferior. Some have a world view that depends on ignoring key parts of reality.
The million+ of USAmericans who perished from COVID have not scared anyone. I can count on one hand the number of people who wear any sort of mask to where I go to school, the first finger being me. No one is talking about this.
The biggest problem is that the capitalist took their lesson from COVID and are not giving this any coverage.
The biggest problem is that the capitalist took their lesson from COVID and are not giving this any coverage.
Also can’t have people getting a taste of state support, or the lucky ones who could to experience a sort of temporary post-capitalist world. It made office workers too uppity and labor too undisciplined. Even in my “essential” public facing job that was living hell for months we basically give few shits about simpering customer service now.
It also destroyed the neoliberal illusion deployed during the Great Recession that says the state has to intervene. Now they can just roll the dice, hope the mortality rate is lowish, and even if not know they have their luxury bunkers and can finally get the population culling so many of the elite want (at least ecofash wing not the Breeder Kinksters)
The breeder kinksters would like it too, for them it’s all about their genes passing along, not others.
i haven’t seen anyone else wear a mask here in 2+ years
The biggest problem is that the capitalist took their lesson from COVID and are not giving this any coverage.
Doomlathing: The bird flu becomes a global pandemic. Billions die. This causes a brief reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, which results in brief improvements of the climate. Capitalists use this to argue the climate crisis has been solved and the mass death was just “mother nature’s immune system kicking in, killing off the sickness”; ecofascism reigns.
Nah, they’ll say it’s fake and blame it on China again because of the last big bird flu outbreak
no
We’ll know for sure after the next stress test.
Most will, the ones that don’t will die in greater numbers.
If it goes human to human it’s not just the US that’s going to be wiped out. We will choose death and treats over inconvenience every time from here on out.
Seriously. Covid proved thats exactly whats going to happen. I just wish it only affected people who choose to be dumbasses about it.
Yeah, I don’t know enough about H1N-whatever we’re up to, to know how long people are infectious before they die, but basically shit goes transnational within the span of a plane flight. It could be everywhere before 90% of the world is even aware that it’s happening.
The banning of observation and reporting in the US means like, yeah, we’re all fucked. Monitoring and combating these diseases requires global cooperation and we’re obviously not going to be seeing that any time soon.
I don’t believe that stupidity will endure if nearly every other person died. It’s world ending if it’s at those rates (worst case scenarios rarely happen though). I’m confident that capitalism would die at that point too.
I mean I agree, but that’s sort of aftermath scenario stuff. I’m thinking more about how C19 spread through passenger flights and cruise ships before anyone was really taking it seriously outside of 4chan where it was being overhyped the other way.
If nearly every other person died, there wouldn’t be too many reckless egotistical deniers left to maintain the foolishness.
The 50% fatality rate is under non-pandemic circumstances. Imagine what the number will be when the Healthcare industry is overwhelmed. (again)
healthcaremorgue and casket industryFTFY
The pause on communications has carve outs for things deemed “critical for public health.” Seems to be on a case by case basis, you need to have it approved by a hhs executive (or someone like that). The Morbitity and Mortality Weekly Report didn’t come out for the first time in 60 years, but the cdc has been able to update their bird flu tracker.
The Morbitity and Mortality Weekly Report didn’t come out for the first time in 60 years
So stupid
I saw a woman on XHS saying there was a big outbreak in Atlanta that hasn’t been getting any coverage. Apparently a lot of large poultry farms in that area
Quoting my post from another thread for no particular reason:
Cant wait to learn about the next pandemic (on top of the current ongoing one) through healthcare workers anecdotally reporting a huge uptick in respiratory cases, and everyone else noticing a “really bad flu going around.”
Do you have any info on this? There’s been a big outbreak in Elbert County, a portion of which is under quarantine, and they’ve upped biosecurity measures across the state. Maybe that’s what they meant? Idk of any big outbreak near Atlanta.
I’ve also seen attempts to blame supposed gain of function testing in Athens GA for the current outbreak. I haven’t looked into that at all but my first thought is it’s bullshit since it’s Peter McCullough and I’m pretty sure the timelines don’t line up. I think we’re probably just gonna be having the same arguments we had during Covid.
http://xhslink.com/a/YZeOOYBtqzE4
Here’s the video, it seems like she just said “in Atlanta” but is mentioning cases all around the area and not exclusively in Atlanta proper.
Oh yeah she’s talking about Elbert county. It seems there are other flocks that were hit but Elbert County was the big one. I didn’t realize how close it was to Atlanta.
The disease seems to be spreading pretty heavily in the Atlantic and Mississippi flyways rn. Flocks are getting hit hard up the east coast and in the Midwest, esp Indiana and Ohio.
So it’s definitely happening this year, right? Like, probably spring?
It’s not particularly likely on any given month. It’s just a risk our society keeps taking over and over again. If you keep rolling the dice eventually you’ll get snake eyes, but it’s probably not any particular roll.
Very likely within the next few years, probably not within the next few months, and this will remain true until there’s a bird flu pandemic or we reform or stop animal agriculture.
Seems likely, definitely in the next few years. All the cope I’ve seen so far has been rhetoric better suited to years ago. Still waiting on a large scale pig farm to put the nail in the coffin, but there was a kid infected showing a potential mutation for lung-based human to human recently. So it’s looking to happen one way or another.
yeah… on the last death panel ep about it they said last year there was around 60+ cases in the US, where 0 or 1 cases is the normal level and that it might already be going human to human but very slowly right now (but media is reporting that it’s not at all), that there’s some unexplained case in San Francisco, and that if it kicks off it will most likely kick off in the US
Michael Osterholm says it possible clouds of dust are getting kicked up that have bird feces in them, and it’s possible it’s spreading that way. I sort of don’t think there’s human transmission yet. Maybe a very low level but from what I’ve seen key mutations generally considered necessary for human transmission haven’t been found in any strains yet (although I did see a journal article today saying they found slight binding to human receptors so…). In any case only 3 cases have been unknown exposure so far.
oh ok, I’ll listen to that last Osterholm video, forgot that he is still doing updates
They’re good, I need to listen to them more. Especially now.
I forget where I heard it but the running joke is that whenever theres a mass-killing of pigs, from a chemical spill is what I heard, theres a massive discount sale of or introduction of new pork products across america.
anyways, take that but make it chicken I guess
There has been BOGO pork tenderloins at my grocery store (Publix) almost constantly for at least the last year. I don’t know if that’s normal or not, but it feels like a red flag.
They just tend to be extremely cheap these days, I think because treatlerites seem to prefer pork chops and butts over literally every other cut. But I have some pretty inside info in this industry so trust me I will light this place up if I notice any upstream trends in the pork world. I have been mildly prepping for a year now. If this pops off around 50% lethality there’s going to be no help coming. We’ll see general services collapse (power, water, etc most places) and hallowed out military units patrolling roads at most.
I fantasize about prepping, but don’t have the resources and can’t get my family to take shit seriously anymore.
Nothing wrong with just creating a “disaster kit”. Get a cheap tub and slowly start filling it with critical emergency essentials. Tell your family it’s just for storms and power outages. Wash out some milk or juice jugs and store some water (make sure to swap it out). Buy a little extra rice and beans. Put old camping stuff in it you find somewhere that might have utility. Matches, lighters, lithium-ion charger packs.
This is basically how I started my own stash. If you have a bit more $ to spare at some point and want best bang for your buck, look up humanitarian or FEMA ration packs online. They are often so inexpensive (like $40 for a case of 10) that it’s probably the cheapest prepared food calories you can buy in the U.S. (that’s $3-4 for 2500 calories that should last five years easily). Bonus the humanitarian ones are vegan so everyone can eat them (and they are each a full day’s supply of calories)
Because they are vegan they are less popular (and more affordable!) then the meat filled “PATRIOT WHATEVER” stuff and are tasty hot or cold.
Lol, I’m in Florida so I’ve got the water and camping equipment down, but great advice, thanks. I’ll definitely check out those packs when I have spare cash. I’d really like to plan for something more long term though. Shit’s wild here and between h5n1, strikes, and just general supply chain fuckery, the future ain’t looking great.
Isn’t there a similar thing with the McRib? Like they “bring it back” when pork prices are hella low?
CW: meat
Do you have info on that kid with the potential h2h transmission mutation?
Ah thank you, I’ll take a look at these
Idk, but I’m suddenly having the same gut feeling I had in February 2020. I bought a bunch of non-perishable foods at that time, thinking that if it turned out to be a nothing-burger I would just not have to shop for several of my pantry items for a few months. Of course, March hit, and I was very thankful I didn’t need to visit the grocery store for pretty much the entire lockdown, and even when I did it was only because I was getting sick of eating the same things for a month straight.
Anyways, looks like I’ve got some extra grocery shopping to do this week
BTW, masks are really cheap in bulk on Aliexpress right now, and bird flu or not, we can be sure that Covid will surge again come spring/summer.
Yea I was decently stocked up right before the lockdowns by chance, not even thinking I’d need to be. Luckily one of the things I stocked up on was toilet paper because who would’ve guessed that that would be one of things in short supply
Gonna be the nerd with a face shield fr
There’s already a vaccine, which is something at least. It won’t work for long, with all the antivaccers around, but it’s something.
Ah fuck, this is gonna kill some endangered local birds as well, isn’t it.
Sorry to sound misanthropic. Kinda used to humans spreading both novel and retro things at this point.
- I’ll have the chicken nuggets, please.
That ain’t good
What would be good to stock up on, assuming a worst case scenario of 50% mortality + the vaccine proves ineffective due to antivaxxers?
Excluding masks and handgel. I’m talking about “assuming society is shut down by a mass mortality event, that still leaves the structures of power more or less intact, but does pause everything for a little while.”
I saved this comment some time ago. Seems like a good start.
Dope, saved
