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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37235684
Obviously reporting transphobic comments to a transphobic mod isn’t going to result in any action, so I’m wondering if the admins are going to do anything about it?
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I’m not a fan of the tone they are using to discuss this. There is a difference from transitioning before puberty vs after. There are specific biological differences that a mtf woman will have that hormones won’t change. There is an issue that needs to be resolved with sports. I don’t know what the solution is, but shutting down conversation doesn’t seem like it. Shutting down transphobia, yes absolutely. I hope I’m not coming off poorly.
I have to admit that this was the discussion that made me realize we can easily believe a problem exists just because it theoretically might exist. The discussion started without any data backing the claims. People said there was an advantage and that it was unfair, but they were just words that connected to internal belief systems that were either faulty or bigoted.
It’s similar to the discussion of sportswear. The solution is offering athletes choice and autonomy, but it’s easy to end up in discussions criticizing the clothes without consulting the people that are affected and the reality of their situation.
This is transphobia since it is factually incorrect and stems from wilful ignorance, and I’m shutting it, and your tone policing, down. There, how’s that?
I ment the tone of the original post complaining about the trans woman playing on the women’s team. I appreciate that article and agree with it. But I don’t really feel bad about doing it to people who are expressing anger because trans people exist.
I would be interested in any articles you have about the biological changes I was talking about. I would love to read anything you have. I’m going off of general classes I took in college. Like developmental, human, and cell biology. Nothing was specific on transitioning, just the general sexual dimorphism in humans.
What makes you think it’s willful ignorance over garden-variety ignorance? Being incorrect and thinking you are correct is different from purposefully keeping yourself ignorant.
I have no horse in this race, and willfully being ignorant and spreading disinformation about trans topics willfully is indeed transphobic and warrants aggressive shutdowns, like the comment I’m replying to. But unless I’m missing something I don’t see the evidence of bad intent here? It just seemed like a bit of a leap.
I honestly don’t know how to simplify it further: impact > intent. Always. This understanding is a fundamental corner stone to all anti-oppression work.
E: Either way, I’m done engaging in this derailment and centring of privileged feelings. The people who prioritise their own comfort and feelings over the harm they cause others, and who would rather invest all of their energy in to finding loopholes to allow them to continue avoiding holding themselves accountable for their actions, instead of just, I donno, listening to marginalised people who are telling them that they are causing harm, are, well, never going to listen. And I simply have better things to do with my time and emotional labour.
The world seems so simple when you have a simple mind. Must be nice.
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Im leaving his comment up in order to respond but I don’t want to rehash that discussion here.
The reason this decision was taken was not just this one discussion. It was because that person has too many red flags for my liking on the stuff they would defend, always juuuuust skirting the line of what is acceptable discourse here.
That makes perfect sense, past behavior definitely changes things. I appreciate the explanation.