Forgot about all the incest and genocide
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Actually wasn’t it infanticide
Isaiah 13:16 ESV / Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes; their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished.
Psalm 137:9 ESV / Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!
1 Samuel 15:3 ESV / Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.
2 Kings 6:28-29 ESV / And the king asked her, “What is your trouble?” She answered, “This woman said to me, ‘Give your son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow.’ So we boiled my son and ate him. And on the next day I said to her, ‘Give your son, that we may eat him.’ But she has hidden her son.”
I’d say the stories of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah would qualify as genocide. In one he floods the world killing everyone, and in the other he wipes out two city-states
Say whatever you want - incest is natural.
Ya, the best part is the book doesn’t really even say it. So it’s extra stupid.
What are you on about exactly? The Bible clearly says men+men= unnatural. It says far more vile shit, but the original post is factual.
ROMANS 1:26-27 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Good, so women+women must be natural…
Feels pretty natural to me.
Some say the original words for that crap were about kids and whatnot, not so much homosexuality. The book’s been rewritten and translated so much it really shouldn’t be viewed as anything except an anthropological artifact.
You’d think an all powerful, knowing God would make sure his perfect book stays perfect… 🤔
You do have to keep your eye out for versions that are translations of translations (for example, The Message version is a paraphrase, not a word-for-word or literal translation), but, from what I know, the NIV version, which seems to be the version they quoted, is pretty close to the original text.
The ESV version, which is generally considered to be closer to the original than the NIV, says basically the same thing with different phrasings:
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
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The snake is also gay.
Or bi. It says he desired them.
Kinky.
This explains so much.
Edit: I guess I have to specify it’s sarcastic.
Homosexuality is unnatural! Forcing chastity for life as a requirement for joining the clergy, however…
I am not sure if that book of fairies actually says anything against homosexuals. Not without any highly subjective interpretation, at least.
The problem is that people who say this about homosexuality never read a book, much less the Bible, which is a bit of a pita to read
The Bible has some great stories in it though.
Like the story of King David, the dude who killed Golliath. What a real piece of shit he was.
Dude slept with Uriahs(one of his elite soldiers) wife while he was out fighting his battle for him. Then she got pregnant, David panics and begs Uriah home so he could have Uriah sleep with his wife and have no doubt about the child.
Uriah refused to return home until the battle was over. So King David, instead put him on the Frontline of battle and wrote the general to withdraw all the troops except Uriah so he would die.
So what was King David’s sin? Not having multiple concurrent wives, not lies, not murder. His sin was adultery.
Yes it’s an amazing book in many ways, but compare reading the book of numbers to let’s say a Lee Child ‘Jack Reacher’ story (which is already too much for a lot of people), and I’d easily call the Bible a pita to read. There’s also lots of ancient references, it’s long, the narrative changes, lots of fairly cryptic stuff etc. And worst of all, much is open to interpretation, which some people who hear the odd verse take as a ‘this can mean whatever I want because I haven’t read any of the context or tried to understand the opinion of the author(s?)’
Much more crazier shit in the old testament. We had a story about a men marying sister after sister as they die chosen to be told (not a native speaker) at our wedding and the way the priest can turn this into a story about love is pricelesess. And this is just a tame story about a possible serial killer, there are better ones :)
Love this hahah
BTW, the book also lists the exact dimensions of Noah’s ark. :)
It’s always bugged me that people who say that don’t actually know the definition of natural.
(And for those of you who don’t, it’s “existent in nature”, which homosexuality definitely is.)
Yep, like arsenic is natural, doesn’t mean it’s good for us.
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Moot point lmao classic religious take “let me just muddy your waters real quick call it magic, convince everyone I’m an ethereal, supernatural being and preach about general purpose rules and morals which would prevent the planet from destroying itself.
Good luck out there man, you’re gonna need it in the coming age of science. Like it or not, real “God” is self-evident and proveable - Her name is Science
Uhhh, I think you replied to the wrong comment, or severely misunderstood my comment. I’m an agnostic atheist and I was making fun of the religious argument that “unnatural=bad and natural=good”. How is it a moot point that natural does not necessarily mean good for you? Good luck out there man, you’re gonna need it since you are making massive leaps based on something that exists only in your head. Take a chill pill, you clearly need it.
Oh, and science is not my God cause I don’t worship it.
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Does… does this mean I’m a miracle?
Specifically a man taking and penetrating another man is verboten, and depending on the specific scripture, it may be in the context of ritual worship of other gods.
Also in the bible, sex is nonconsensual. Period. Women don’t have will anyway. Take a woman who is betrothed and it’s a crime against the husband, and adultery.
Take an unbetrothed woman and it’s a crime against her father, and is not capital but a fine.
When a man dominates and penetrates a man, he is executed for injustice, but the submissive, receiving man is killed as a sacrifice to keep the land pure…which sounds like fairy magic to me. But he has committed no sin.
submissive, receiving man
Hey look this dude’s never heard of a power bottom!
More that the Hebrews hadn’t heard of one, but yeah.
Myself, I’m pretty sure sex is generally not a capital crime, nor something that befouls the spirit of the land.
but the submissive, receiving man is killed as a sacrifice to keep the land pure…
That I haven’t heard.
Dan McClellen explains this is an elaboration based on other texts from the same society (on YouTube) noting that the passages of the bible are directed at the dominating male, although his victim (whether another man, a woman or a beast such as a donkey or sheep) is also killed even though they were not responsible for the incident.
Yeah what? Lot was raped by his daughters and he wasn’t killed over it.
I didn’t know Lots daughters were men.
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