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About damned time. I was checking the LGBT travel advisories a few months ago, and was surprised that the US was green. Absolutely no way should anyone be travelling to Florida.
There’s a state-by-state map updated last in June here: https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/june-anti-trans-legislative-risk
Look at that light blue for my state! It’s not the best but I’m still so proud of our progress. Can’t wait for it to be the darker blue.
What is the name of the “Do not travel” state?
I mean, this map is for travelers to the US, people who don’t know the map exactly.
That’s the turd dingleberry that we call Florida.
It’s labeled in the other photo fyi
TIL there’s more maps further down. 🤦
US is too big and diverse to rate as one unit. It should be broken down into states since the laws can vary so wildly.
That’s what they eventually did. They do that with other countries as well.
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I mean, good call, Canada.
Red states are dangerous for any nonwhite male. Women? Traveling to a red state and get raped? Whelp better hope you don’t find out that you are pregnant while still in the state. LGBTQ+? Whelp, better hope no one knows your sexual identity or you could be denied life saving medication or could be jailed for simply using the wrong bathroom. Black? Whelp, people are literally hunting you while you try to pick up snacks at the local dollar general.
This comment is hyperbole.
Black? Whelp, people are literally hunting you while you try to pick up snacks
No need to overexaggerate to such an extreme that your comment loses any value it might’ve had.
Yep. He’s comment is complete paranoid bullshit.
If you are looking for truth, there is no need to exaggerate.
I don’t think the commenter is looking for truth though.
Except, the truth is that this has happened twice in two years and those are only the mass shootings in which African Americans were explicitly targeted.
Florida Dollar General - 2023
Buffalo, New York Tops Supermarket - 2022 https://buffalonews.com/news/local/complete-coverage-10-killed-3-wounded-in-mass-shooting-at-buffalo-supermarket/collection_e8c7df32-d402-11ec-9ebc-e39ca6890844.html
Dunno what world you live in, but if those events didn’t happen it sounds a lot nicer than reality.
These people aren’t “you”.
I could make a similar statement:
Child? You’re literally being abused and raped by your parents on a regular basis.
This statement is true for a lot more children than the prior statement is for black people.
It’s still a stupid statement.
No, being a child doesn’t mean you’ll be abused and being black doesn’t mean you’ll be attacked.
The fact is the likelihood of black people being killed is in red states much higher in red states.
So Canadá is going to let trans people get treatment with informed consent model, right?
Right?
Some of our states are really good for trans people. A map of which regions yo avoid would be far more helpful than a blanket warning.
They already do allow trans care via informed consent.
Healthcare is under provincial jurisdiction, therefore this varies depending on where in Canada. My province doesn’t offer informed consent HRT.
It is but… Which province? I help trans people get HRT and I know of/have lists of available doctors who will do it via informed consent in every province.
I know I’m a random internet stranger so don’t doz yourself here, but if you feel comfortable messaging me I’ll help out if you need.
Yeah I’m only really familiar with Quebec
I live in New-Brunswick, and there used to be Clinic 554 in Fredericton which did informed consent, general trans healthcare, and abortions, but they closed down due to lack of funding.
The way it generally works here as per my friends on hormones is you get a letter of recognition from a WPATH-certified mental health professional, and then get a referral to an endocrinologist via your family doctor. Navigating the NB healthcare system sucks for everyone, but trans patients are even more limited.
Dr. Sara Thomas, Mount Allison University’s gender-affirming care clinic. Is what I have for informed consent in NB.
I’m glad to hear there’s another avenue for people other than waiting to see an endocrinologist (they have pretty long wait lists here) but from what I can gather you still need a referral from another healthcare professional, contrary to Clinic 554 which did do self-referrals.
Erin Reed maintains a pretty good one:
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/june-anti-trans-legislative-riskFlorida holds a unique status within these states, with travel advisories warning against visits. The “do not travel” recommendation extends to even connecting flights through Florida. As of July 1, transgender individuals could face up to a year in jail for using the bathroom that aligns with their gender identity. This risk persists even for those who have legally altered their identification documents. The state retains the power to investigate an individual’s birth gender to determine if a crime has been committed simply by using the bathroom - investigations that could involve genital exams, chromosome testing, and more.
Wow, that’s some serious third world country shit. Horrifying!
It’s not just Florida, all of the other red states are trying to pass similar laws. The courts have been striking many of them down, though it’s only a matter of time until they find a way to write them vaguely enough that the courts don’t care.
Holy shit, that is so fucked up wtf.
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Yes her map is good, I just wish it didn’t show “states with a possibility in 2 years” in such a dark red color as it is misleading when compared to like… Actual bad states.
Not getting treatment with informed consent =/////////= US risks
If trans people die after being denied by the sexologist, then the safety is illusory.
We cannot exist when we are merely tolerated.
Some of the states actually do give a fuck about us and it’s important to call that out along with the states that want us dead.
I agree with everything you said, but the comment I replied too doesn’t relate to the post.
The post refer to states in the US were LGBTQ members are literally being shot dead.
A lot of states with those laws probably also have “Stand Your Ground” laws and loose guns regulations, so really nobody should go there.
And as a blue blooded, god feering, gun toting, truck driving, steak eating, pussy grabbing, anti-woke, America first, patriot like myself that is exactly what we want. -s
The actual risk of being effected is still pretty low.
also have “Stand Your Ground” laws
What exactly do you think these laws mean?
Trayvon Martin
What about him?
It eases the legal requirement to run away when someone attacks you, as opposed to fighting back.
Edit: Oh, that was rhetorical.
Those laws basically say it’s OK to shoot someone if you feel threatened. You can practically get away with murdering someone for looking at you the wrong way.
That’s not at all what they say. They “basically” say that you don’t have a duty to run away from someone who is actively attacking you.
Fine, maybe I misinterpreted why people think it’s OK to shoot at people for knocking on their door or pulling into the wrong driveway. I still don’t want to go to places where people are likely to do that.
That’s not a realistic fear. Certainly not something worth putting out a public notice about an entire country of 300 million people.
It happened several times in the last year, I’d mark it as realistic.
“Several times” across a country with 300 million people? That’s nothing but paranoia. You’re significantly more likely to be struck by lightning.
Canada should issue an advisory for people travelling to Alberta
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Anti-LGBT protests in the US rose 30-fold last year compared with 2017, while legal moves to restrict LGBT rights are on the rise.
The term 2SLGBTQI+ is widely used in Canada for people who consider themselves two-spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning or intersex.
“Since the beginning of 2023, certain states in the US have passed laws banning drag shows and restricting the transgender community from access to gender-affirming care and from participation in sporting events,” they told CBC News.
In March, Tennessee’s governor signed laws banning drag performances in front of children and restricting medical treatment for transgender youth.
Two months later, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signed bills banning children from undergoing transgender medical treatments or going to drag shows, and restricting pronoun use in classrooms.
On Monday, a mural in Florida dedicated to Irish journalist Lyra McKee, who was shot dead in 2019, was defaced with a swastika and anti-LGBT graffiti.
The original article contains 349 words, the summary contains 154 words. Saved 56%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
2SLGBTQI+
I support diversity and Im happy to let anyone be whoever they want to be, as long as they are not hurting anyone, but we need to stop adding letters to the LGBTQ community.
Global Affairs Canada warned
Is this an NGO or a GO?
This is an official government warning confirmed by the Deputy Prime Minister. From the source:
Asked why the guidance had been updated, Canadian Deputy PM Chrystia Freeland told reporters in Atlantic Canada that the government employed experts “to look carefully around the world and to monitor whether there are particular dangers to particular groups of Canadians”.
She declined to comment when asked whether there had been discussions with the US government before making the change.
A rare good take by Freeland
Queer Nazis really coming up in this world now
GO. It’s a Federal Government department that is jointly run by the Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Minister of International Development, and the Minister of International Trade. Putting out travel advisories is part of their mandate.
Most Canadian GO follow a [Purpose] Canada naming scheme. If you want a SIN (equivalent to an SSN) you got to Services Canada. You get your weather warnings from Enviroment Canada. Drugs are related by Health Canada. Natural Resources Canada does the obvious. Parks Canada does National Parks. Transport Canada does highways and waterways.
ITT: Crying americans because other countries realize what a shit show america is
I mean, stay the hell away from Florida and you should be ok.
Amerika is at the point where people in California get shot for flying a rainbow flag.
No it’s really not.
Recommend doing a bit of real traveling. As far as things go on a global scale a lot more FUD comes out of the US because it is an absolute media machine and everyone has their eyes glued on it at all times. As far as real world acceptance of LGBT it doesn’t get much better anywhere globally than California. In my experience other than perhaps, some select parts of Western Europe, the comfort level for LGBT travelers is much higher in the US than most places. There are cesspools like Florida that stand out, but this travel warning is largely propaganda.
I’ve been harassed and attacked in one of the safest cities for queer people in the US - it’s only safe anywhere in the country if you’re white. so no, this isn’t true.
No it’s really not.
It was a pointed example, since it happened like a week ago:
https://apnews.com/article/pride-flag-store-shooting-california-b2bd4f89e992356f35d2101cdf665acb
Ah, then I think you meant to say, “A person” in California.
I didn’t make the initial comment and also you are just sniveling at this point
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The Canadian government, famous for doing anti-US propaganda.
As far as real world acceptance of LGBT it doesn’t get much better anywhere globally than California.
Have you heard of Cuba?
Yes, I’ve heard it’s lovely but probably have to go through Florida to visit.
The amazingly free and open USA makes it difficult for American citizens to visit Cuba, which treats gay and trans people better than any state in the USA.
How do they make it difficult? I know several people that have visited and had no issues to complain of. I was half joking about the Florida thing, just going through the airport there probably wouldn’t be as bad as walking the streets.
are you lgbt?
unless one of the frothing right-wing psychos who’s full up on nazi propaganda decides you’re a groomer and hate crimes you, which can happen in any state in the u.s.
Or anywhere in the world. Rare events that get heavily reported in the US do not paint the overall picture of LGBT experience.
Why are you so adamant in downplaying the crimes of a nation that has passed almost 500 anti trans laws this year alone?
Because these are the games of politicians. Try being trans in rural China, India, pretty much anywhere in the African continent or anywhere in the middle east. Come visit and see if you’d like. I’ve been to these places and if you don’t believe me look at other travel advisories. The risk to travelers is being blown out of proportion and just because the media is doing this it doesn’t mean that educated individuals hanging out in Lemmy communities need to propogate this garbage. Do I want politicians to get their shit together? Yes! Do travelers need to eat up the media fear that pours out like a fire hose these days? No, it’s rubbish.
Do I want politicians to get their shit together? Yes!
I want politicians to get their shit chopped apart
I’m not saying that other parts of the world are all safe, i’m saying that it’s entirely proportional to issue a travel warning for the US, and that you’re deliberately downplaying the rise of institutional and societal transphobia in Amerika.
Fuck off tourist
K link me to the most recent time somebody got murdered in Canada for flying a pride flag since it happens everywhere at the same rate.
Better be in the last week BTW.
The rates are not the same everywhere. Perhaps one of the best reports for what you are looking for can be found from https://transrespect.org/en/press/
It’s nice that you link to the site that puts out the trans murder monitoring. You should probably look up how the USA usually scores in that before you embarass yourself further.
“It’s Florida and Texas and red states that are the problem,” I tell myself as my entire country continues to collapse in a thousand different ways. “It’s Florida and Texas and red states. If we just had 60 Democrats in the senate and a more moderate SCOTUS (like in 2008), everything everywhere would be perfect! I mean, just look at all Obama managed to accomplish during that time! Endless drone strikes, corporate welfare, and a health care “plan” endorsed by the Heritage Foundation that made no difference to health insurance prices (which continued to rise as though nothing had happened) and left tens of millions of people uninsured or underinsured and which led to tens of thousands of deaths over the years due to lack of coverage—and that was before the pandemic even started! It’s not the system designed by genocidal slave owners that’s the problem, we just need to get rid of the corrupt elites and replace them with GOOD elites and everything will work itself out!”
Calls for violence against queer people are being broadcast everywhere, not just in red states. Also learn to care about people trapped in red states.
What do you mean? Some massive nerd on here the other day was telling me how its totally easy to move, and people who don’t are just choosing to stay poor and marginalized!
Until Democratic centrists sacrifice trans people to pass various “must pass” bills after House GOP reps put poison-pill regulations into them and try to make a new Hyde Amendment, prohibiting Federal support for gender-affirming care and opening the door to outright legal discrimination federally.
And that’s assuming they don’t lose the Senate/Presidency.
Democratic Centralists would never do something like this
Democrat Centrists tho…
Democratic Centralists:
Demoncrat/Republikhan “Centrists”:
that’s it, i depicted them as the wojak and us as the chad. Communism has been achieved
I live less than 2 hours from the Canadian border in one of the most progressive states and there’s trucks in town painted red white and blue with 3% logos and the moaning labia shit.
There’s another one with two stickers on the back window “kill your local pedophile” with somebody getting shot execution style and “democrats are pedophiles”
Everywhere in America 30 minutes outside a major city is like that.
Yup - northern state, near Canada, usually blue voters. Regularly see thin blue line stickers, confederate flags, punisher skulls, thin blue line themed punisher skulls, “protect our children” slogans n shit…hell I’ve seen at least a couple black suns on cars around here, which is a lot more mask off than I expected (and waaaaaay more alarming)
and the moaning labia shit.
what is that?
Moan abe or however they took it. Means come.and take it apparently it’s what the Spartans said to the Persians at Thermopoli.
An ironic line because if you learned history from something other than a homoerotic Zac Snyder movie you would know the Persians responded with “k” then killed them all
Molon labe.
then sparta lost their king, his honor guard, the elite of their army AND a highly defensible pass that they were supposed to be able to hold for months
and this all happened in a few days.
moaning labia
Yeah, those are hillbillies - they are all over the place. Many of them are actually homosexual believe it or not. If we are talking bumper stickers though, can’t say I’ve come across many anti-LGBT ones. Mostly confederate flags and black and white flags with blue stripes all in the generic grab bag of generalized hatred. I stay away from those people / areas as it’s just not my crowd, but not sure what this has to do with the safety of LGBT visitors to the US. Linking these stickers to that is a pretty broad sweep.
generalized hatred.
not sure what this has to do with the safety of LGBT visitors to the US
Girl on the left got some big ass tittays
I have learned from this thread that ALL TRANS PEOPLE ARE HATEFUL PEOPLE.
Does the US need to put out a warning to disabled travelers? Go to Canada and they will tell you to kill yourself.
What “risks” are they talking about?
Hate crimes.
and 
cannot resist the temptation of committing hate crimes, and the pleasure they get from making innocents suffer.I don’t know what these things are. Are you suggesting that there’s an exception for crimes committed against these people?
by the police? absolutely
Police don’t need exceptions for anyone.
the police are the exception
So then we agree this is nothing to do with 2SLGBTQI+ people?
the relevant states have made a legal push to criminalize being queer in public
Total exceptions? No. But many states still allow people to get reduced sentences via the gay panic defense for killing LGBTQ people. That, and some politicians are encouraging hate crimes against them with hateful rhetoric about them being “groomers” and whatnot.
But many states still allow people to get reduced sentences via the gay panic defense for killing LGBTQ people.
You say that like it’s explicitly allowed by the state. It isn’t. It’s a legal defense lawyers use in court. Whether or not it’s legitimate is determined by a jury.
gAy PaNiC is never legitimate.
Tell that to the jury. What are you expecting to happen?
Wow, it is almost like a place where juries let people off on the gay panic defense is a place that is unsafe to be as a trans person.
I’ll tell em you’re gay and I panicked
the state, inside and outside courtrooms, to shut down hate crimes.
You need to learn that whether something is explicit or not doesn’t matter as much as what is happening in effect.
But that “effect” has nothing to do with the US…
Yes, because no jury members live in the US corporate media ecosystem which pushes vile transphobia constantly with the support of the US government.
You say that like it’s explicitly allowed by the state.
It is. Keeping it a valid legal defense is a policy choice. Some states banned it, they chose to. Other states have not, they decided not to. That’s politics.
But it’s not a valid legal defense. You cannot ban a lawyer from putting it forward as a legal defense.
Except you actually can, and many states have
You literally can, just like any number of other valid bases for objections to arguments put forward. If the judge rules it to be such a defense, it would be struck from the record and the jury instructed to disregard it, and if the lawyer keeps on it, they would be held in contempt of court. Furthermore, if it is plainly a case of such a defense and the judge lets it fly, the prosecution can claim mistrial.
Perhaps there are other ways of banning it, but that is the obvious one in the American framework.
There literally is in most states, depending on the judge:
There literally is not. That’s a legal defense that lawyers use. It doesn’t instantly exonerate the crime.
depending on the judge
To treat it as a valid legal defense is an abomination and judges have countless times ruled in favor of the perpetrator on just the basis of that defense.
That’s not a legal exception, that’s just a corrupt judge. Do you not have those in Canada?
Do you understand how precedent works in the US court system? I mean, I fully agree that US judges and laws are corrupt, but it doesn’t change the fact that those laws and judges are still upheld by the state
Dude, stop sealioning already. Get a different hobby
Dude stop repeating nonsense you read on the internet and maybe actually put forward some sort of argument.
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Wow you’ve actually made a meme out of not having anything to back up your statements. I’m impressed. I’m gonna make some of these up.
How about uhhhh zebra-ing. That’s when you go around the internet spreading bullshit you made up and then play the victim when people ask you to back up your statements.
https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united-states
2SLGBTQI+ travellers Some states have enacted laws and policies that may affect 2SLGBTQI+ persons. Check relevant state and local laws.
And then it links to: https://travel.gc.ca/travelling/health-safety/lgbt-travel
Thanks for that. Is there a section for people who don’t like cats?
Use Ctl-F. Got your answer? Now go away.
2SLGBTQI+ is widely used in Canada for people who consider themselves two-spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning or intersex.
Yeah I don’t believe that lol, tf is that nonsense if a term
we’re adding letters every time you complain about it.
When speaking I always try and say LGBT+, the “+” being everyone else. Or just queer, which is a decent cover-all on it’s own. The ever longer acronyms get in the way of the point.
think we need to solve this with some regex. Do they accept wild card * ?
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For early adopters, the term “Two Spirit” was a deliberate act to differentiate and distance themselves from non-Native gays and lesbians
Differentiating yourselves from an already marginalized group? That’s a bold move Cotton…
Cishets try to understand queer identities and queer solidarity challenge, difficulty: impossible
Just physically say 2SLGBTQI+ out loud and hear how ridiculous that sounds.
what sounds ridiculous is bigot lips flapping.
Just physically say abiogenesis out loud and hear how ridiculous that sounds.
It sounds fucking dumb.
definitely learned a new one today…Two Spirit on Wikiwand
2SLGBTQ is a common term in the queer community where I’m from.
Yep, common up here
ah just rolls off the tongue doesn’t it
