If no communist organization exists at all in the country you live in, what do you think of joining the green parties, to get organized?
Its usually going to be composed of trust funders, liberal do-gooders and liberal grifters looking for a easy seat and paycheck.
The best they can hope for is turning a 2 party liberal state into a 3 party liberal state; usually the most they can accomplish is splitting the left-liberal vote.
Not really much but a distraction, i’d mostly focus on pulling away the bottom rank members to socialist parties and stealing the good green policies for ourselves.
They inherently are still (usually) a liberal project; if its an anarchist one id find it more appealing.
usually the most they can accomplish is splitting the left-liberal vote.
They do lol and yet the irony is they’re often green conservatives who want green capitalism. Left-libs are easily fooled.
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Critical support to the German Greens for splitting the neoliberal vote.
There’s no “splitting the neoliberal vote” in Germany. Not only are all the other parties neoliberals too, but Germany has a parliamentary system where what happens is that parties will enter into coalition to achieve a majority needed to govern, so giving the Greens votes just makes them more likely to end up in a government coalition. And this has absolutely disastrous results as we have seen with the current SPD-Greens government.
Green parties may be different in other countries but in Germany the current incarnation of the Green party are absolute lunatics.
That’s a much more fair and less silly assessment than mine.
I absolutely agree that the German Greens are lunatics.
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I think its fair to take it on a case by case basis comrade, if you find there are enough substantial communists in the green NZ party it would even be productive to join, advocate for a socialist cause within it, then use the inevitable friction/contradiction of the leadership resisting you to splinter off any socialist/anarchist membership you network with.
I also have 0 clue where to start with NZ and socialist organizing… The palestine cause and its open support would be enough for me to support them if nothing better presented itself, I understand your reasoning.
Usually green parties are objectively rightwing, but like, if they were the most rightwing we had it would be nice
Now eco grassroots movements with direct action, way better than a bourgeois party to learn how to organise. You’ll be with a massive amount of whackos and potentially terfs and anti-communists but if you join the greens you’ll have to uphold those positions not just hear about them
Another option would be anti-fascist groups
Well democratic centralism is a communist value. Maybe green parties allow lines to be disputed?
Also, green parties feel like a place where the leftmost leaning people would gravitate towards, possibly eventually spawning a communist party? Or is that too much idealism?
In the meantime wouldn’t it be a place to be social and avoid going insane through means of discussions with brainwashed liberals?
I also just learned that ideology for “green” parties are spread all over the place. I though “green” was a unifying concept, but it isn’t. D:
In the meantime wouldn’t it be a place to be social and avoid going insane through means of discussions with brainwashed liberals?
Quick way to be ignored, green parties tend to emphasize electorism and you will quickly find any edge point you make gets diluted through ‘we need to compromise to appeal to the center’ bullshit libs pull.
You’re better of donating your time to an actual socialist project, or even a green-anarchist one.
Depends how much ‘nuclear is as bad as coal’ you can stomach.
It’s hit or miss. There are some good green candidates that take more of an intersectional approach but they seem rare to me. Maybe there are more in the rank and file.
