• AllNewTypeFace
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    US does not oppose the distribution of stupid prizes to those who play stupid games

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      Are you advocating for Russia to strike NATO countries for supplying weapons? That’s basically advocating for nuclear war, pretty bad take overall.

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        What part of what he said implies he’s “advocating for Russia to strike NATO countries for supplying weapons”.?

        Thats never really been grounds for war in the past. Otherwise we would have gone to war with the soviets for Vietnam, and the soviets would have gone to war with us for Afghanistan.

        If selling or giving weapons to your enemy’s enemy was a cause for war we’d all be dead by now.

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          Thats never really been grounds for war in the past.

          Cuban Missile Crisis ring any bells? The crackers nearly destroyed the planet over it.

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          We have gone far further than any of those.

          Imagine if the Soviet Union gave Vietnam missiles and explicit permission to strike US cities during the war.

          That is an entirely different scale of involvement that has never been tested against a large power before.

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            and explicit permission to strike US cities during the war

            While also providing direct targeting data for it to happen

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            Imagine if the Soviet Union gave Vietnam missiles and explicit permission to strike US cities during the war.

            You are falsely equivocating a 3rd party proxy war with a border conflict involving the actual imperial power. A better hypothetical would be if we invaded Mexico and the Russians gave them missiles to defend themselves. I don’t really think that would be cause to invade Russia after Mexico. If you are invading your neighbor, you should expect some foreseeable blow back.

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              A better hypothetical would be if we invaded Mexico and the Russians gave them missiles to defend themselves.

              Huh, I remember something almost exactly like this happening 61 years ago that was probably the closest the world has been to nuclear war.

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                Yep, the US was definitely at fault in the Cuban Missile Crisis for the missile placements in Europe and preparing to invade Cuba

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              What is the difference? In both cases one side is giving missiles for the explicit purpose of striking the rivals cities.

              Distance is pointless when that capability only exists due to the missiles provided.

              WW3 is a real threat. Imagine if Russian responds by blowing up the trains the missiles are on in Poland? Or striking a Western city in turn?

              We are relying on the restraint of gangster led Russia to avoid nuclear war here ffs.

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                What is the difference? In both cases one side is giving missiles for the explicit purpose of striking the rivals cities.

                One wouldn’t have happened if you had not taken your initial action? Are we debating the moral merit of defending an attack vs making an attack?

                WW3 is a real threat. Imagine if Russian responds by blowing up the trains the missiles are on in Poland?

                I would say that Russia probably should have thought about that before annexing their neighbors lands? Does Russia have no onus to limit their actions for the sake of peace?

                relying on the restraint of gangster led Russia to avoid nuclear war here ffs.

                And they rely on that perception to do whatever they want. Putin is not deranged, he doesn’t want to die in nuclear hell fire either. He just made a classic blunder, and got his hand caught in the cookie jar.

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                  Are we debating the moral merit

                  No, you’re bringing morality into this when it doesn’t belong. You’re confusing your feelings of moral justification for strategic justification.

                  Whether or not there’s a substantial moral difference between invading a neighboring country and invading one on the other side of the planet is irrelevant in this scenario. If a geopolitical rival provides that invaded country with the means to launch missile strikes into your territory, the response will be the same.

                  Your tendency to base major decisions on feelings of moral outrage or self righteousness are not how war planning is or should be done. It reeks of the condescending assumption that it is the job of America to be world police, and punish the wrongdoers.

                  He just made a classic blunder, and got his hand caught in the cookie jar.

                  I’m sorry to have to break it to you, but it doesn’t matter one iota whether or not Officer America thinks Putin has been caught being naughty. Your desire to punish him will always have to be weighed against the possibility of nuclear Armageddon.

                  I felt like that had to be said, because I think you psychos are still likely to think it’s worth it.