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Looked this one up on WaPo as I’m a subscriber. The comment section was filled with people accusing the Post of being pro-Hamas
Never look at comments below news articles.
No, always look. It’s like going to the zoo.
As an American, it feels more like looking around in your cage.
Too real
WaPo is one of the worst media outlets on Earth.
I suppose you base your opinion on memes?
I base my dislike on them by them being bought by Jeff Bezos. That said, it’s not like it was a community owned paper before he bought it, it was just the oligarchs exchanging property among themselves.
They will at least some times take an actual stance against fascism, so they’re ahead of the curve for mass media.
What community owned newspaper do you read?
" it was just the oligarchs exchanging property among themselves." What is that supposed to mean?
If this is true, it’s despicable. However, I’ve learned not to take anyone’s word on the internet for any politically charged topic. If there is any half-credible source that corroborates the real estate auction, I’d greatly appreciate a link. I’ll search as well.
A few US outlets have mentioned it fleetingly, but here’s a more balanced account from Haaretz.
Here is a flyer circulated by the protest organizers:
Here is a flyer advertizing the real estate sale itself:
Here is an archived copy of the real estate sale web page (which is currently unavailable):
https://web.archive.org/web/20240624010428/https://homeinisrael-il.com/
Here is a listing for property in Efrat, which is an illegal Israeli settlement located in the West Bank:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240324124658/https://homeinisrael-il.com/property/efrat-hamoshava/
Interesting that an Israeli newspaper provides a more balanced report than US outlets… how did that happen?
“Salman Schocken, a Jewish businessman who left Germany in 1934 after the Nazis had come to power, bought the paper in December 1935. Schocken was active in Brit Shalom, also known as the Jewish–Palestinian Peace Alliance, a body supporting co-existence between Jews and Arabs which was sympathetic to a homeland for both peoples. His son, Gershom Schocken, became the chief editor in 1939 and held that position until his death in 1990.” From the English a language Wikipedia article on Haaretz.
The Schocken family continues to own 75% of the paper’s stocks, hence the position.
a lot of Israelis are very much against what has been happening in Palestine…
(also why “zionist” is a bad word to call pro-genocidal people)Nothing excuses Zionism even if some opposes the actions of their government
Zionism is the quest for a homeland for the Jewish people… many people chose Argentina, many chose Ethiopia… Israel was created by the Allied Forces after world war two… zionism has nothing to do with recreating Israel or hurting Palestinians….
stop using words you don’t understand… blaming “zionists” is like blaming jews… it’s racist.
Israel is committing these crimes against humanity. Not jews, not zionists… it’s IsraelNotice how each of those countries you said Zionists chose instead of Palestine were already, you know, countries. Where people live. Zionism is a settler colonial movement that displaces people wherever you decide it should be. Colonizers do not deserve sympathy or support. I agree that the actions of Israel should not be associated with the Jewish people, but they most certainly are the actions of Zionists, of colonizers. No one gets to Minecraft a homeland out of thin air. You don’t just pop up an ethno-state on any habitable location on earth without removing those who already live there.
We agree on the essence. I am not going to argue over semantics and definitions. People have a right to self determination but not settler colonialism, we agree on that but disagree on the definition of Zionism. I go with the writings of Jabotinsky and Herzl.
You agree on the definition, you’re just not ignoring that people already lived there like he is.
All the best Anglo neighborhoods‽‽‽ Sounds antisemitic to me…
I’m not the only one who uses the interrobang‽
What‽‽
I tried that once, got thrown off the police force
(Jk lol the union protected me 💪)
Same here! It also helps to threaten your victims with further violence and reminding them you know where they live and can look up who their family is lol being a cop is so silly!!
Shit at this point I wouldn’t be surprised to find out the pro Israel protestors did all of the violence and the headlines are still blaming the Pro Palestinian side. The major news outlets always back Israel until hard evidence from a third party shows up.
And yup. Everyone is doing it again.
It’s buried halfway down this article, but here are more details:
The protest stemmed from an Israel real estate event on Sunday at the Adas Torah synagogue, according to the synagogue’s security director and social media posts from organizers.
The event at the synagogue was organized by My Israel Home, a firm that markets real estate in Israel and West Bank settlements and was advertising on social media. CNN has reached out to My Israel Home for comment.
Especially in this conflict. There is more fake news going around, pushed by both pro palestinian and pro israel sides, than real news.
Let’s ignore all the evidence and everything else that has happened so far, and give this the benefit of the doubt that only helps Israel and it’s genocide. I guess once the water gets muddy enough, we’ll stop seeing it as water.
Ubiquitous acceptance of anecdotal evidence from a blue check mark twitter handle is just going to morph lemmy into /r/conspiracy and I hate /r/conspiracy. If you believe that going by feels is adequate, I have a Jewish space laser to sell you.
Rarely do I become incensed by anything on the internet, but willfully discouraging yourself and others from ascertaining the reality of a situation is cancerous. I urge you, and anyone else reading this, to verify information, always. We live in an age where adequate comprehension involves adequate corroborative research and denying adequate research is akin to denying reality.
Now, that said, synagogue had it coming if the agency’s selling pillaged Palestinian land. I’ve been attempting to access their website for 2 days but they seem disinterested in updating their certificate. Likely due to bad press. If you can somehow verify that this map hosted real listings in the West Bank, that’d go far in legitimizing your anger. Suggesting that [internet person says thing] is enough does not.
Also, thank you for noticing my username c:
Fucking Threads users
Click their name. I’m confused too.
They’re from shitjustworks, the threads is just a meme
You can find some solace in it being true still not being an excuse for violence
As for the merit of it, they were hosting a real estate company that operates on both sides but no validity to the notion of stolen property has been made
There’s been conspicuously few accounts of the actual violence too.
Considering how things have gone in the past, the religious extremists rhere to illegally bid on another countries land likely started it.
I’ve seen articles where they claim any protest against Israel is automatically “violent”.
Like the college protests. Where they have on video one of the pro Israel peeps going into the protestor crowd and yelling shit like “death to Jews” to make the protestors look bad…scumbags
Reminds me of a scene in Fullmetal Alchemist where a character who can shapeshift turns into a “citizen” on one side of a tense situation between the greater govt and the local population. He shoots a govt official during some non-violent protest and it sets off a whole war. It was revealed he was working for the govt to further their own goals.
Something similar also happened in a recent episode of >!The Boys, S04E1!<
Or flat out assaulting the students in front of cops (or while cops suspiciously absent)
Not to mention that any protest against is real (or anything netanyahu’s govt doesn’t like) is “antisemitic.”
Antisemitism is a problem. And its roots are long and deep and often hard to spot. But they are using the term “antisemitism” as a cudgel against legitimate criticism. Because they’re a goddamn apartheid government.
I probably shouldn’t guess because the truth is I have not even the slightest idea, but I would bet money that it was the Israel side that started the violence and not the protestor side. Among other things, I think if the protestors started the violence, there wouldn’t be any of this passive voice “violence evolved” stuff; we’d be hearing specifically about how they “attacked,” in the active voice.
Its a fucken shame Israel is giving credence to the “Jyoos control everything” conspiracy. Look at this fucken reach Isreal has in America. But Israel isn’t the Jewish People. No matter how bad they want us to think that.
When presidents start condemning your protests, you’re probably fighting for a good cause.
….wwwelllll…. I’d be careful painting with too broad a brush there, partner.
I was unable to come up with more than 1 example in the last 10 years, so it feels like a pretty safe slogan.
Nazis.
Westboro Baptist Church.
NAMBLA.
Boom, three examples without even trying.
Which nazi protests were condemned by a president? Which wbc protests? Which NAMBLA protests?
implying theres such thing as a good nazi protest? pardon?
Where the hell did you get that from? I’m asking for examples of any president condemning a Nazi protest. I can’t think of any time that’s occurred.
sorry, misinterpreted this before the edit was made
You don’t think Biden would criticize a KKK march? A neo Nazi march? Biden criticized Jan 6. How about an anti lgbtq march? Westboro baptist?
I’m just saying, you’re considering this one instance and painting with too broad a brush. Have you only been alive for trump and Biden? Not all US presidents endorse everything bad. They even stand up against a lot of them, typically. Your comment just reads like you’re really young and can’t think past Israel. There are plenty of things neoliberals are at least performatively on the moral side of—social issues, anyway. 2/3 past presidents would’ve spoken out against a lot of things you (most likely) hate.
Well… to be fair the sitting President at the time didn’t object to the the Charlottesville Nazi march, January 6th, etc, but tear-gassed an invited crowd at a church protesting the murder of black people.
Right. So the original persons point of drawing criticism from presidents isn’t at all tied to what’s inherently right or wrong.
I didn’t say presidents always condemn good things either. Most things, good and bad, don’t make it to the national level in the first place. I’m not saying Biden wouldn’t condemn a racist rally. I’m saying presidents as a political position, not any individual, rarely condemn anything that is regressive or reactionary. To my knowledge, not even Obama condemned the racist bullshit directed at him after winning. People were hanging racist effigies from trees.
your opinions are bad and you should feel bad
Are you saying that because you understand what I’m saying and disagree, or because you haven’t grasped the nuance in my statement?
Uh, History? Let me stop you right there.
10 years seems like plenty of context.
It’s a slogan, not a factual statement. I’d be interested to hear about other protests condemned for being a truly bad cause. The only one that comes to mind is the insurrection. The Charlottesville rally saw only the antifascist counterprotestors get condemned.
Adding “partner” automatically reduces your birth year by 30 years.
Say what
Found a poster who was not alive until 2022.
Regarding the ad for the event in the replies there, apparently the term “Anglo-Jews” means English speaking. But it’s also still a very blatant euphemism for “white European English speaking Jews” because that group makes up almost the entirety of whom the word would be used for.
So, yeah, it is still based on racist undertones regardless.
Interesting that you’re concerned about them unanimously editing the narrative to not include the real estate fair or who started the violence (which, 100%, is a bullshit thing for them to do)
But presumably approving of 3/4 of them putting Biden’s name in the headline for as far as I can tell literally no reason at all
This is where ground news is really helpful.
I swear this isn’t an ad (though if anyone does want to try I think I have a referral code?) but it’s really nice to be able to just swipe through various publications’ articles on the same subject and compare headlines, etc.
Google News can do the same thing (although you’ll have to do your own reliability ranking) - search for “la protest” or something and you can do the math and take note of how many of them are simply covering that it happened, and how many and which ones are making Biden into a key feature of their headlines.
That’s good to know. Not quite as convenient but at least it’s “free”.
Edit: also I don’t pay enough to get their reliability data
Let’s just say, you don’t pay… with money.
I know, I meant I’m not on the highest Ground News tier
Why are they putting CNN and other capitalist publications on the left hand side of center?
No idea. I take it with a grain of salt. I guess we need to remember just how far right most publications are.
- a bitter Canadian
It was actually a rhetorical question, because I already know the answer. The answer is that the political spectrum is always relative. There’s no such thing as a middle or a center, there’s only left or right relative to some other point. It’s like movements in space, space doesn’t have a north pole or an objective reference point, so you can only say that a particular solar system is a certain distance from our own or some other arbitrary reference point.
Ground News chooses to have an arbitrary reference point, while telling its users that it’s an objective source of understanding bias. This is deceptive. It makes users feel that they’re unbiased, while entrenching them in the particular biases of USA politics. This is very bad for society as a whole. Ground News is brain rot.
There’s no such thing as a middle or a center, there’s only left or right relative to some other point.
You might be thinking of the Overton Window.
Yes, Ground News reinforces the overton window, which is very bad
I feel like this is a bit extreme. I assume it has an American bias which I already know is inherently more right than I’d normally think. I adjust my mental read of their scores appropriately. Most of their users are probably American.
It’s arbitrary in the same way the current American status quo is.
This isn’t an anti-Biden post Mozz… The media isn’t saying WHY they showed up to this one location to rightfully protest.
The hell it isn’t.
There’s a reason.
Sure, let me rephrase: No legitimate reason
I actually do agree that “and then Biden went on Twitter and said some dumb shit about it” is an important addition to make to the story. I just don’t think it is two of the most important nine words that the New York Times would want to communicate about the protest, and I think it’s notable that it forms such a huge feature in the (again 100% accurate) narrative about the Western media doing its thing and lying about Palestine and Palestine protestors.
Actually - I would be pretty confident that a random sampling of all the stories in the media would show most of them simply covering the protest, and that only a small number which then were included in this screenshot featured the word “Biden.” Maybe I am wrong but that would be my guess.
Here Mozz… With multiple videos of the incidents
Seven Reporters Attacked, Protesters Bear Sprayed, Chaos in West LA
Yeah. Most of them are like that - coverage of the protest. Or, some have coverage of the wrong “antisemitism” reaction to the violence, which obviously is relevant, without for some reason singling out only Biden’s rendition of it (e.g. including Newsom or Bass etc).
(Actually - the thing I really wish they would do is report on the “antisemitism” accusation and then break down exactly why it is wrong. Every single Lemmy commenter - or the vast majority of them - can read the coverage and explain why them singling out this synagogue for this protest had nothing to do with Judaism (it was actually in ozma’s story, I think, that the pro-Israel side actually also attacked a rabbi who was trying to break it up). So… why can’t the journalists figure that out?)
Actually, if you take out the New York Times and Forbes, almost no one decided to include Biden front and center in their headline about it.
So… why didn’t you share this instead?
This is interesting. Look at all those videos. I wish reporters would stop posting on X, though. Is this a good source? Those Twitter accounts? I’m not too familiar with the Cat and the other reporter they mentioned.
I wonder whether Israel asking their Christian churches to pay taxes nation wide will change anything, highlight the decay of Israel-US relations.
